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The One with Sarah Polley

Episode - 583

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January 17, 2023 Scriptnotes, Transcribed

John and Craig invite writer/director Sarah Polley to discuss her critically acclaimed feature “Women Talking.” They cover twice-removed adaptations, crafting fable-like settings, protecting your audience, and the power of narration.

We also look at “Run Towards the Danger” — the title of Sarah’s book as well as her personal philosophy. We answer a listener question on development and Sarah explains why clarity is kindness.

In our bonus segment, we talk about child actors. Sarah shares her perspective as a former child actor and what it’s like to have her own kids on set.

Links:

* [Sarah Polley on IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001631/) and on [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/realsarahpolley/)
* [Women Talking](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13669038/) film and [novel](https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/562880/women-talking-by-miriam-toews/9780735273979) by Miriam Toews
* [Run Towards the Danger: Confrontations with a Body of Memory By Sarah Polley](https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/688129/run-towards-the-danger-by-sarah-polley/)
* [Find the Women Talking Script by Sarah Polley here](https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Women-Talking-Read-The-Screenplay.pdf)
* [The DIY Scientist, the Olympian, and the Mutated Gene by David Epstein](https://www.propublica.org/article/muscular-dystrophy-patient-olympic-medalist-same-genetic-mutation) for ProPublica
* [Mophie 3-in-1 Charger with MagSafe](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HPTA2ZM/A/mophie-3-in-1-travel-charger-with-magsafe?)
* [Gilead, by Marilynne Robinson](https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/marilynne-robinson)
* [Till](https://www.mgm.com/movies/till) film
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* [Outro](http://johnaugust.com/2013/scriptnotes-the-outros) by Timothy Lenko ([send us yours!](http://johnaugust.com/2014/outros-needed))
* Scriptnotes is produced by [Megana Rao](https://twitter.com/MeganaRao) and edited by [Matthew Chilelli](https://twitter.com/machelli).

Email us at ask@johnaugust.com

You can download the episode [here](http://traffic.libsyn.com/scriptnotes/583standard.mp3).

**UPDATE 2-12-23** The transcript for this episode can now be found [here](https://johnaugust.com/2023/scriptnotes-episode-583-the-one-with-sarah-polley-transcript).

Which of these answers was written by AI?

January 10, 2023 Tools, Words on the page, Writing Process

[GPTZero](http://gptzero.me/) is a new service created by Edward Tian designed to sniff out AI-generated text.

I’m dubious, in part because I’m not sure I could reliably spot the differences between sentences assembled by humans versus machines. But maybe that’s just my human bias.

As an experiment, I decided to run a quick, not-at-all-scientific test. I asked ChatGPT to “write three paragraphs explaining what a manager does for screenwriters.” I also looked up the answer for [“What does a manager do?”](https://screenwriting.io/what-does-a-manager-do/) on screenwriting.io.

Here are the two responses, one written by a human ((Stuart Friedel wrote most of the early screenwriting.io answers.)), the other by an AI. See if you can spot which is which.

### SAMPLE A
> In brief, a manager manages your career.

> This includes tangible acts, like setting up meetings, giving notes and feedback, and assisting with deal negotiation, as well as the more abstract, like helping steer your career’s direction.

> Managers, unlike agents, are not required to be licensed by the state. They usually have fewer clients than agents, and often take more personal and less business-focused roles in their clients’ careers. Managers, are allowed to take producer credits on their clients movies, which agents are not.

> Like agents, a manager typically receives 10% of a client’s earnings. A manager should never ask for an upfront or flat fee.

### SAMPLE B

> A manager for a screenwriter plays a vital role in helping the writer navigate the film and television industry. They can assist with finding and developing new ideas, as well as helping the writer shape their existing ideas into marketable concepts. This often involves providing feedback and suggestions to help improve the story and make it more appealing to potential buyers.

> Managers also help screenwriters with the business side of things, such as identifying potential buyers and pitching the writer’s work to them. They can also help negotiate deals and contracts, as well as manage any legal issues that may arise. In addition, they can help the writer navigate the many different players in the industry, such as agents, producers, and studio executives.

> Finally, a manager can also help screenwriters with their long-term career goals by helping them identify opportunities for growth and advancement. This might include working on larger projects, transitioning to other forms of media, or developing a personal brand to increase their visibility and credibility in the industry. Overall, a manager plays a critical role in helping a screenwriter achieve success in the competitive film and television industry.

For each answer, GPTZero measured the text’s Perplexity — the randomness of the text — across several ranges.

| | Total | Average | Highest |
|———-|——-|———|———|
| Sample A | 41 | 136 | 219 |
| Sample B | 11 | 36 | 49 |

That 219 is an example of “Burstiness,” which GPTZero defines as “spikes in perplexity.” For Sample A, the opening sentence has a perplexity of 219, whereas highest perplexity in Sample B is just 49.

That’s the tell, apparently.

> Some human written sentences can have low perplexities, but there is bound to be spikes in perplexity as the human continues writing. Contrastingly, perplexity is uniformly distributed and constantly low for machine generated texts.

After crunching the numbers, GPTZero renders its verdict.

SAMPLE A (score 66.44):
Your text is likely human generated!

SAMPLE B (score 9.93):
Your text is most likely to be AI generated!

On both counts, GPTZero got it correct.

But how hard would it be to fool the system? I spent two minutes editing the AI-generated version into the following:

### Sample C
> Managers can play a vital role for screenwriters. Basically, they help the writer navigate the film and television industry. They can assist with finding and developing new ideas, or shaping their existing ideas. They provide feedback and suggestions.

> Managers also help screenwriters with the business side of things: who the buyers are and how to pitch to them. They can help negotiate deals and contracts, as well as manage any legal issues that may arise. They help the writer navigate the many different players in the industry, including as agents, producers, and studio executives.

> Good managers think about screenwriters’ long-term career goals. This might include working on bigger (or smaller!) projects, transitioning to other forms of media, or developing a personal brand. Overall, a manager can play an important role in helping a screenwriter achieve success in the competitive film and television industry.

| | Total | Average | Highest |
|———-|——-|———|———|
| Sample A | 41 | 136 | 219 |
| Sample B | 11 | 36 | 49 |
| Sample C | 19 | 106 | 439 |

The verdict:

SAMPLE C (score 118.77):
Your text is likely human generated!

## Some takeaways

– The ChatGPT answer was well-written and potentially helpful for someone who didn’t know anything about managers.
– GPTZero is looking for patterns a human likely wouldn’t notice, which makes sense. But an AI model trained to provide responses with high perplexity and burstiness would likely evade detection. It’s interesting to see this arms race play out, because adversarial networks are already a fundamental tool in AI.
– It’s currently very easy to fool GPTZero with just minimal rewriting. If this tool meant to detect AI-generated term papers, students will quickly learn how to evade it.

Who Can You Trust?

January 10, 2023 Scriptnotes

John and Craig dissect expertise and “why you should think twice or thrice before taking someone’s advice.” They look at how survivorship bias, pride, and luck should factor into how we judge sources of authority.

We answer listener questions on raising kids in LA, writers for videogames, and Megana asks about creative-comedowns.

In our bonus segment for premium members, we discuss natural disasters in Los Angeles and preparation plans.

Links:

* [The Last of Us](https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us) premieres on HBO 1/15/23 at 6pm!
* [Can “The Last of Us” Break the Curse of Bad Video-Game Adaptations?](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/02/can-the-last-of-us-break-the-curse-of-bad-video-game-adaptations) by Alex Barasch for the New Yorker
* [Use PROMO code ONION for $10 off an annual Scriptnotes Membership](https://scriptnotes.net/) email help@supportingcast.fm if you run into any issues
* [Scriptnotes, Episode 574: Difficult Scenes, Transcript](https://johnaugust.com/2022/scriptnotes-episode-574-difficult-scenes-transcript)
* [Erik Grankvist’s Video of Building a Log Cabin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtiaSn5iCg8)
* [Shottr](https://shottr.cc/) screenshot app
* [Humans Walk Weird. Scientists May Finally Know Why](https://www.wired.com/story/humans-walk-weird-scientists-may-finally-know-why/#intcid=_wired-verso-hp-trending_31383010-6a51-4efd-ba74-12b85959c72f_popular4-1) by Katrina Miller
* [The Big One – Probability Earthquake Will Occur in Los Angeles](https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-probability-earthquake-will-occur-los-angeles-area-san-francisco-bay-area)
* [ARK Storm](https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/how-an-arkstorm-could-wreak-havoc-on-los-angeles/) and [The Great Flood of 1862](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862)
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* [Outro](http://johnaugust.com/2013/scriptnotes-the-outros) by Nica Brooke ([send us yours!](http://johnaugust.com/2014/outros-needed))
* Scriptnotes is produced by [Megana Rao](https://twitter.com/MeganaRao) and edited by [Matthew Chilelli](https://twitter.com/machelli).

Email us at ask@johnaugust.com

You can download the episode [here](http://traffic.libsyn.com/scriptnotes/582standard.mp3).

**UPDATE 2-13-23** The transcript for this episode can be found [here](https://johnaugust.com/2023/scriptnotes-episode-582-who-can-you-trust-transcript).

A Guide to Good Writing

January 3, 2023 Scriptnotes, Transcribed

John and Craig (and Aline!) discuss the elements of quality writing in this collection of craft conversations.

As we work on the Scriptnotes book, producer Megana Rao has been collecting wisdom from the archives to write an introductory chapter to define good writing. In these segments we cover how to find your voice, spot confidence on the page, and actively watch films.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Megana discuss the Scriptnotes book and rumors of upcoming industry strife.

Links:

* [Scriptnotes Episode 239 – What is good writing?](https://johnaugust.com/2016/what-is-good-writing)
* [Scriptnotes Episode 76 – How screenwriters find their voice with Aline Brosh McKenna](https://johnaugust.com/2013/how-screenwriters-find-their-voice)
* [Scriptnotes Episode 432 – Learning From Movies](https://johnaugust.com/2020/learning-from-movies)
* Sign up for [Scriptnotes Premium](https://scriptnotes.net/) to listen to the episodes sampled as well as the entire archive. Use promo code ONION to save $10 on annual subscriptions.
* [Dangers of Elite Projection](https://humantransit.org/2017/07/the-dangers-of-elite-projection.html) by Jarrett Walker
* [Ejaculate Responsibly: A Whole New Way to Think About Abortion](https://www.amazon.com/Ejaculate-Responsibly-Whole-Think-Abortion/dp/1523523182) by Gabrielle Blair
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* [Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription](https://scriptnotes.supportingcast.fm/gifts) or [treat yourself to a premium subscription!](https://scriptnotes.supportingcast.fm/)
* [Aline Brosh McKenna](https://twitter.com/alinebmckenna) on Twitter
* [Craig Mazin](https://twitter.com/clmazin) on Twitter
* [John August](https://twitter.com/johnaugust) on Twitter
* [John on Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/johnaugust/?hl=en)
* [Outro](http://johnaugust.com/2013/scriptnotes-the-outros) by Martin Kubitzky ([send us yours!](http://johnaugust.com/2014/outros-needed))
* Scriptnotes is produced by [Megana Rao](https://twitter.com/MeganaRao) with segments by [Stuart Friedel](http://stustustu.com/) and edited by [Matthew Chilelli](https://twitter.com/machelli).

Email us at ask@johnaugust.com

You can download the episode [here](http://traffic.libsyn.com/scriptnotes/581standard.mp3).

**UPDATE 1-15-23** The transcript for this episode can be found [here](https://johnaugust.com/2016/scriptnotes-ep-239-what-is-good-writing-transcript).

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