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How to sell Big Fish

October 9, 2024 Big Fish, Projects

This afternoon, I came across the letter I wrote in 1998 trying to convince Columbia Pictures to option the rights to Daniel Wallace’s novel Big Fish for me to adapt.

It’s strange seeing this letter now. In it, I describe the very broad shape of the movie, but at the time I didn’t know so many of the details. Crucial elements like the circus, the war, Josephine, Norther Winslow — none of these existed in the book, and I had at most a vague sense of what I wanted to do.

At the time, there were no producers involved, and no director. It was just me and the studio.

The truth is, this letter probably didn’t convince anyone. Columbia wanted me under contract so they could have me work on other more-commercial movies. But it served an important role in convincing myself that there really was a movie to make out of Wallace’s weird and delightful little book.


To: Readers of Daniel Wallace’s BIG FISH

From: John August

Date: 9/14/98

RE: This book

I come to you with an unfair advantage: I read BIG FISH a few weeks ago, whereas many of you probably only read it last night or this morning. Trust me — it’s the kind of book that sticks with you and gets better as you think back through it. But since you probably don’t have the luxury of weeks to mull it over, I wanted to tell you why I liked this book so much when I first read it, and like it even more as I look back.

If you’re reading coverage of this book, the logline probably includes the words dying father and humorous anecdotes, which sounds suspiciously like the TV Guide listing for a Hallmark Hall of Fame movie that would be nominated for an Emmy, even though nobody you know actually saw it. The problem with that logline is that while it’s technically correct, it’s absolutely wrong.

BIG FISH is the story of Edward Bloom, a charming pain in the ass, as told by his immensely frustrated son William, who in the absence of any concrete history, can only tell us the wild exaggerations his father has been shoving upon him his entire life.

Edward Bloom feeds his son the kinds of stories you tell a wide-eyed five-year old — how you used to walk to school five miles, uphill each way. But now his son is in his 30’s, and Bloom never stopped telling these stories. Rather, he kept embellishing them, until they became a second life of sorts — perhaps the one he secretly wished he had lived. We pick up the tale as the elder Bloom lies on his deathbed, but the question of the story is not “will he die?” but “will he finally drop the facade?”

At this point, I have to digress and tell an anecdote from my life. (This is the kind of book that inevitably makes you want to talk about your own life; it stirs up strange recollections.)

On a dark rainy night in production on GO, I was sent off to set up a second-unit shot with a talented young actor who is, moment for moment, one of the funniest people I’ve ever met. ((Jay Mohr.)) The problem is, he doesn’t shut up. It’s as if every sensory input is channeled through a part of his brain that seeks humorous output. This life-as-Groundlings-sketch is charming at three in the afternoon, but at three in the morning, when you’re cold and exhausted and first unit has the lens you really really need, you find yourself searching for the switch that turns him off. Would you please just stop being funny so we can do this fucking shot?

In BIG FISH, William has the same frustration with his father: Would he please, just for once, not make a joke of all this?

Even as Edward Bloom amuses us, we can understand why William is annoyed. And honestly, if we had to spend an entire movie with this old man, we might get sick of him too. But the special treat of this movie is that you spend most of it with Bloom as a young man, tracking his life from impossible story to impossible story. He’s a modern-day Paul Bunyan, funnier for the inconsistencies in his tales.

If it sounds like I’m downplaying the dramatic elements, I’m not. Like FORREST GUMP or ORDINARY PEOPLE, there’s honest emotion at its core, and a movie shouldn’t shy away from that. I lost my own father at 21, and can remember sharply the months of walking on eggshells, and the weird power dynamics of a household built on maintaining tranquility at any cost. ((I was 28 when I wrote this. I made Will my age and Edward my father’s age so I could keep track of the timelines.))

Because even as they’re fading, people can piss you off. Just because you’re dying doesn’t give you an excuse to be an asshole.

While Edward spends his life trying to convince his son what a great man he is, William just wants to see a glimpse of the real man behind the bravado. In the end, neither wins, but there’s a more fundamental truth to be learned: even if you never really understand a man, that doesn’t keep you from appreciating him. ((This thesis gets restated different ways in the movie, including “My father and I were strangers who knew each other very well.” and “You become what you always were: a very big fish.”))

Now that I’ve rhapsodized about the book’s many virtues, let me note that it isn’t perfect. The individual anecdotes don’t always thread together especially well, and need to be more consistently (a) funny and (b) relevant. Properly told, we should see the reality behind the wild exaggerations. Even though we see the “myth” of Bloom’s life, there’s truth in the lies.

I’m not crazy about the ending; magical realism is a tough sell, and almost always feels like a cheat. But I think we can have it both ways. My instinct is to let Bloom die the way actual people die — quiet and peacefully — then show his death the way he would want us to believe: a funny, cataclysmic event that burns down half the town and coincidentally resolves many of the loose threads from his various stories.

I hope these ramblings give you a forecast of what you might be thinking about this book a week or two from now. Likely you’ll have your own anecdotes, because Wallace has the weird ability to feel universal and highly specific, as if he stumbled across some secret trove of shared histories.

On Big Fish, inclusion and family-friendliness

May 17, 2018 Big Fish

The Big Fish musical that Andrew Lippa and I wrote has been staged hundreds of times across the US. Logistics are all handled by our [licensing company](https://www.theatricalrights.com/show/big-fish/), which provides the script, score and other materials. Usually, the only time Andrew and I hear about a given production is when someone tags us in Instagram.

Occasionally, however, something comes up that merits our getting involved. This is one of those cases.

—

This week we learned that an upcoming production of BIG FISH at the Palisade Playhouse in Pittsburgh [has been canceled](https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Pittsburgh-Community-Theatre-Cancels-BIG-FISH-Following-Directors-Inclusion-Of-Gay-Ensemble-Characters-20180516) over a disagreement between the director and the theatre. Specifically, the director planned to include a same-sex couple as part of the background action during the song “Stranger.”

In defending their decision, the theatre argues that, “the script did not include any reference to the LGBT+ community.” That’s correct; nowhere in the script does it say that any character is gay or lesbian or trans. But nor does it say they aren’t. A director’s decision to signal that two silent characters are same-sex parents isn’t changing the text. It’s providing context and framing. It’s directing.

BIG FISH is a musical about parenthood, family and love. These are shared experiences of all human beings.

The theatre continues: “This added moment of focus created questions about whether the director’s addition would convey a message about gay marriage in a way that would be seen as inclusive to some but exclusive to others.”

Which feels another way of saying, “We didn’t want to risk offending anyone.”

And look, we get it. BIG FISH has been produced hundreds of times in the U.S. in part because it’s so family-friendly and unlikely to offend. There’s no sex or violence. In some cases, we will allow for words to be changed or omitted. We do this because we want as many people as possible to get to experience it – both as an audience and as part of a production.

But “family-friendly” shouldn’t mean ignoring reality. Let’s remember that in America there are all kinds of families, including ones with two dads, two moms, people of all gender identity, color and creed. Family-friendly is something bigger than it once was.

This notion of “thinking bigger” is something Big Fish’s hero Edward Bloom would certainly endorse. After all, his friends include a giant, a witch and a werewolf.

When we see #bigfishmusical videos on Instagram of high schools doing Be The Hero, it reminds us that the show we wrote inevitably changes with every production, every player, every choice. That’s theater. It exists only because people come together to put on a show.

We’re sorry the show won’t go on at Palisade Playhouse, but look forward to working with the director and company to find a new home for their production.

– John August and Andrew Lippa

Spalding Gray, depression, and the Big Fish connection

April 24, 2015 Big Fish, Psych 101

Writing for The New Yorker, Oliver Sacks recounts his interactions with [monologist Spalding Gray](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/27/the-catastrophe-oliver-sacks):

> Spalding had had occasional depressions, he said, for more than twenty years, and some of his physicians thought that he had a bipolar disorder. But these depressions, though severe, had yielded to talk therapy, or, sometimes, to treatment with lithium. His current state, he felt, was different. It had unprecedented depth and tenacity. He had to make a supreme effort of will to do things like ride his bicycle, which he had previously done spontaneously and with pleasure. He tried to converse with others, especially his children, but found it difficult. His ten-year-old son and his sixteen-year-old stepdaughter were distressed, feeling that their father had been “transformed” and was “no longer himself.”

Sacks traces Gray’s mental state to both a recent brain injury and a family history of depression. Gray described himself as a “failed suicide,” and was hospitalized several times.

> He said that his mind was filled with fantasies of his mother, and of water, always water. All his suicidal fantasies, he said, related to drowning.

> Why water, why drowning? I asked.

> “Returning to the sea, our mother,” he said.

Anesthesia from surgery would lift his symptoms temporarily, but the darkness always returned. He would ultimately take his life.

> On January 10, 2004, Spalding took his children to a movie. It was Tim Burton’s “Big Fish,” in which a dying father passes his fantastical stories on to his son before returning to the river, where he dies—and perhaps is reincarnated as his true self, a fish, making one of his tall tales come true.

> That evening, Spalding left home, saying he was going to meet a friend. He did not leave a suicide note, as he had so often before. When inquiries were made, one man said he had seen him board the Staten Island Ferry.

I learned about Spalding Gray’s connection to Big Fish the day after his death. Daniel Wallace, who wrote the novel Big Fish, emailed me a link to an article about Gray’s disappearance and presumed suicide, which included the detail that Gray had just seen the movie.

At the time, Big Fish was in theaters, and we were in the middle of the awards season campaign. At press events and roundtables, journalists would occasionally inquire about Spalding Gray and his relationship to Big Fish.

What was I supposed to say? I had no insight on Spalding Gray’s mental state, so I stumbled around saying nothing, or as little as I could before getting back to safer questions.

But privately, I wondered: Was it all just a morbid coincidence? Was there a thematic correlation? Or could one reasonably claim that Big Fish killed Spalding Gray, as some web sites suggested?

Eleven years later, Sacks’s article finally offers the missing context. Gray’s suicidal thoughts had arisen years earlier, and despite the efforts of Gray, his family and his doctors, the impulse to drown himself ultimately won out.

It’s tempting to imagine Gray seeing himself in Edward Bloom; both are storytellers facing their own mortality.

It’s also a mistake.

Real people aren’t fictional characters. They don’t follow a plot. None of us wakes up in the morning with the aim of advancing our narrative or reinforcing our core themes. Instead, we simply live, pursuing our interests while adapting to the changing circumstances around us. It’s messy. It’s unwritten.

As Sacks makes clear, Gray killed himself after seeing Big Fish, but it wasn’t his first attempt, and the film wasn’t the cause in any meaningful sense.

Still, our story brains want the movie to be the cause. We want A to lead to B, post hoc ergo propter hoc, especially when there seems to be such thematic similarity between the two events. As a writer, it’s an instinct Gray no doubt understood.

Even Sacks, the famous neurologist, concludes his article with the detail of Big Fish. For all his discussion of the “delicate mutuality” between the frontal lobes and the subcortex, Sacks still looks for a narrative reason to answer the question, “why now?”

And maybe that’s the right choice.

One of the key points in Big Fish is that there’s often a middle ground between the facts and the fiction, an emotional truth that is more universal and ultimately more useful. Science tells us how things work, but stories tell us how things feel.

The truth of Spalding Gray’s connection to Big Fish exists in both the realms of fact and feeling. It’s important to understand the clinical realities of depression, and also to empathize with those affected. Eleven years later, this new account of Gray’s struggle has helped me do both.

Big Fish, Jimmy Buffet, and seeing shows on a budget

October 28, 2013 Big Fish, Broadway, Follow Up

Let’s start with the **TL;DR version**:

The producers have agreed to restore my SCRIPT discount code for Big Fish on Broadway, but only through December 22nd — and they might pull the offer at any time. Tickets are $85/$67 (versus $150/$85) at the box office, or on [Ticketmaster](http://www.ticketmaster.com/Big-Fish-a-New-Broadway-Musical-tickets/artist/1859083) for the same price plus a service charge.

Longer version:

Jimmy Buffett is one of the producers of Big Fish. He has legions of [Parrothead](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrothead) followers, but since they’re not the classic audience for a Broadway musical, he asked for a discount code (JIMMY) he could send his fans as an extra incentive.

I love Jimmy. I love this idea.

But I too have followers I want to come see the show, especially students and over-educated/under-employed aspiring writers. My people came in surprisingly large numbers during previews, and I have a hunch many of them may be headed to the East Coast for the holidays. So I asked for my SCRIPT code back and got it.

It’s not quite the deal it was during the [first weeks of previews](http://johnaugust.com/2013/big-fish-broadway-unlock), but it’s almost certainly the lowest price you’re going to find for a guaranteed seat.

###It’s not a competition but yeah sort of it is

Every week, we get a report on the discount codes used, and it would honestly kind of thrill me to out-earn Jimmy Buffett.

And it’s a game you can play, too, because just like booking flights and hotels, you can manipulate the system to get a much better seat than you’d expect.

Big Fish sells out most performances, but here are some suggestions for getting a great seat. Most of these apply to any Broadway show:

1. Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights generally have the best availability.
2. The first five rows of the mezzanine are terrific — arguably the best seats in the house. In the Neil Simon, the front mezzanine is better than rear orchestra.
3. Split up. You’re more likely to find two amazing single seats.
4. Talk to Louie or Eric at the box office. Use the code. Drop my name. These guys are awesome, and want you to have a good seat.
5. In the hours — sometimes the minutes — before a show, a great seat may become available because the producers release tickets they were holding back for media. So even if Ticketmaster says there are no tickets, it’s worth a visit to the box office.

For some performances, we sell tickets at the TKTS booth in Times Square. These are almost always seats at the back of the mezzanine, and availability is constantly changing. TKTS is great, but you’ll get a better seat by coming to the theater itself.

###Seeing shows for less

There are two ways to see a Broadway show for less than list price, but both of them involve some trade-offs.

**Student Rush.** If you’re a college student with more time than money, it may be worth waiting in line for student rush. First check out the [Rush Report](http://www.broadwayspotted.com/rush-report-october-27-2013/) to gauge when you’d need to be there and how likely you are to get a ticket. Big Fish is one of the more difficult shows to rush:

> Weekdays: 15 people in line by 9:20 AM. 26 tickets available. Weekends: 37 people in line by 9:15 AM. 1st person in line at 6:30 AM. 26 tickets available.

Student rush tickets are $27. These seats are generally at the edges of the orchestra, and are sometimes partially obstructed. But you’ll often be very close to the action, and if you’re a theater student, you may learn something extra just from seeing it so close-up. I’ve talked to some college students who’ve already seen Big Fish three times because of student rush.

**Standing Room Only.** At the back of the orchestra, there’s a railing with numbered standing room only spaces. At performances where absolutely every seat is sold, the theater will sell those spots. I’m not even sure of the price, but it’s more than student rush.

This is where I stand to watch the show most nights. I love it — but I work at a standing desk, so your mileage may vary.

There’s no guarantee you’re going to be able to get SRO tickets on any given night. That’s why I strongly recommend that if you want to see Big Fish, you use the SCRIPT code either at the box office or Ticketmaster as soon as you can. Heading into the holidays, supply will get constrained. I really want you to see Big Fish, and I want you to have a good seat.

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