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		<title>Based on an idea by&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" alt="questionmark" src="http://johnaugust.com/img/questionmarks/little_red_question.jpg" /><em>So, I&#8217;m watching &#8220;Gosford Park&#8221; and I notice that the film is &#8220;based upon an idea by Robert Altman and Bob Balaban.&#8221;</em></p>

<p><em>My question is: How does one get that credit? Do you have to do some actual writing for it or is it some sort of a vanity credit? (I assume it isn&#8217;t, because otherwise every producer or executive type would have a whole stack of those on their record.)</em></p>

<p><em>&#8211; Steffen</em><br />
<em>Nuremberg, Germany</em></p>

<p><a href="http://artfulwriter.com">Craig Mazin</a> is on the screen credits committee, so he can likely answer this more thoroughly. But I can at least give you my take on it.</p>

<p>For feature films, the official WGA credits are &#8220;Story by&#8221; and &#8220;Screenplay by,&#8221; which can be combined to make &#8220;Written by.&#8221;<sup>1</sup>  When something is based on preexisting source material, like a book or a play, that original writer gets a &#8220;based on a novel/play by Original Writer.&#8221; <sup>2</sup></p>

<p>Your instincts are right:  Producers often have ideas for movies, but rarely do they get a specific, additional credit for it.  However, if they wrote those ideas down, even in prose form, they could very likely get &#8220;story&#8221; or &#8220;source material&#8221; credit.</p>

<p>Per the <a href="http://www.wga.org/content/subpage_writersresources.aspx?id=171">Screen Credits Manual</a>, the requirements for these two credits are as follows:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>3) Source Material</p>
  
  <p>Source material is all material, other than story as hereinafter defined, upon which the story and/or screenplay is based.</p>
  
  <p>This means that source material is material assigned to the writer which was previously published or exploited and upon which the writer&#8217;s work is to be based (e.g., a novel, a produced play or series of published articles), or any other material written outside of the Guild&#8217;s jurisdiction (e.g., literary material purchased from a non-professional writer). Illustrative examples of source material credits are: &#8220;From a Play by&#8221;, &#8220;From a Novel by&#8221;, &#8220;Based upon a Story by&#8221;, &#8220;From a series of articles by&#8221;, &#8220;Based upon a Screenplay by&#8221; or other appropriate wording indicating the form in which such source material is acquired. Research material is not considered source material.</p>
  
  <p>4) Story</p>
  
  <p>The term &#8220;story&#8221; means all writing covered by the provisions of the Minimum Basic Agreement representing a contribution &#8220;distinct from screenplay and consisting of basic narrative, idea, theme or outline indicating character development and action.&#8221;</p>
  
  <p>It is appropriate to award a &#8220;Story by&#8221; credit when: 1) the story was written under employment under Guild jurisdiction; 2) the story was purchased by a signatory company from a professional writer, as defined in the Minimum Basic Agreement; or 3) when the screenplay is based upon a sequel story written under the Guild&#8217;s jurisdiction. If the story is based upon source material of a story nature, see &#8220;screen story&#8221; below.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>When you see a credit like &#8220;based on an idea by,&#8221; that&#8217;s clearly a &#8220;source material&#8221; type of credit.  In the case of Gosford Park, it may have been the strange way Robert Altman shoots.  Apparently, rather than a complete screenplay, they had a framework upon which his actors improvised, with screenwriter Julian Fellowes on set to help shape the scenes.</p>

<p>Regardless of the specific situation, I&#8217;m not a fan of the &#8220;based on an idea by&#8221; credit, and would like to see it stay rare.  It over-emphasizes the vague conception of a movie, at the expense of the distinctions provided by characters, narrative, theme and action (that is, story).</p>

<p>For example, &#8220;a movie about the Civil War&#8221; is an idea.  Gone With The Wind is a story.  For them to have rough equivalence is absurd.</p>

<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2593" class="footnote">There is also a very rare &#8220;Adaptation by&#8221; credit, which is only given in specific, complicated situations.</li><li id="footnote_1_2593" class="footnote">Where it gets weird is when a movie is based on an earlier movie&#8217;s screenplay, such as a remake of a foreign film.  There is ongoing discussion in the Guild about how to best handle this.</li></ol>




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		<title>The perils of coincidence</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 21:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John August</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The big villain in Spider-Man 3 was a plague of coincidence. Here's how they could have avoided it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like several million people worldwide, I saw <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/">Spider-Man 3</a> this past weekend.  And like a substantial percentage of these viewers, I got frustrated by the number of unlikely coincidences in the movie.</p>

<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with coincidence, per se. Almost every movie is going to have some incidents where one character <em>just happens</em> to be in the right place at the right time.  In fact, many movies are built around a &#8220;premise coincidence.&#8221;  In <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095016/">Die Hard</a>, John McClane <em>just happens</em> to be in the building when the villains attack.  That&#8217;s okay.  McClane&#8217;s being there is part of the premise.  Likewise, in the original <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145487/">Spider-Man</a>, Peter Parker <em>just happens</em> to get bitten by the radioactive spider.  No problem: it wouldn&#8217;t be Spider-Man otherwise.</p>

<p>The premise coincidence is one flavor of what I&#8217;ll call a Fundamental Coincidence: an accidental confluence of time, place and motivation which greatly impacts the story.</p>

<p>In a romantic comedy, when The Guy would have proposed to The Girl except that he <em>just happened</em> to overhear a conversation he interpreted the wrong way, that&#8217;s a Fundamental Coincidence.  In the first Spider-Man, Norman Osborn <em>just happens</em> to be transformed into The Goblin just as Peter is becoming Spider-Man. That&#8217;s a Fundamental Coincidence, but we accept it because it feels true to the genre.</p>

<p><strong>WARNING: MINOR SPOILERS FOLLOW. (Mostly things you&#8217;d glean the trailers or ads, but still.)</strong></p>

<p>Let&#8217;s look at the Fundamental Coincidences in Spider-Man 3:</p>

<ul>
<li>The asteroid carrying the symbiote (utlimately, Venom) happens to land near Peter Parker.  Peter doesn&#8217;t hear it, doesn&#8217;t investigate.</li>

<li>The symbiote happens to attach itself to Peter&#8217;s scooter.</li>

<li>Flint Marko happens to fall into the sand pit at exactly the moment the scientists test their billion-dollar Dyson vacuum.<sup>1</sup></li>

<li>Flint Marko happens to have been the man who killed Uncle Ben. (A retcon.)</li>

<li>Eddie Brock happens to be the only person in the church at the moment Peter tries to get rid of the black suit.</li>
</ul>

<p>Any one (or two) of these Fundamental Coincidences would probably go unnoticed, particularly in a superhero movie, where credibility takes a back seat to spectacle.  But put together, they make the plot feel rickety, particularly when you factor in the large number of what I&#8217;ll call Minor Coincidences &#8212; things that don&#8217;t fundamentally change the story, but feel convenient all the same.</p>

<ol>
<li>The police chief decides to tell Peter about Marko now, even though he&#8217;s known the details for some time, apparently.</li>

<li>Sandman&#8217;s first attack just happens to coincide with Spider-Man getting the key to the city.

</li><li>Eddie Brock is newly arrived at the Daily Bugle, and wants Peter&#8217;s job.</li>

<li>Gwen Stacy happens to be Peter&#8217;s lab partner.</li>

<li>Gwen Stacy happens to be in the skyscraper during the crane accident.</li>

<li>And she&#8217;s the police chief&#8217;s daughter.</li>

<li>And she&#8217;s Eddie Brock&#8217;s love interest.<sup>2</sup></li>

<li>And Gwen happens to be at the fancy restaurant on the night Peter wants to propose.</li>
</ol>

<p>Again, you could have several of these coincidences in any movie and no one would mind.  It&#8217;s largely expected that familiar faces will become imperiled in a summer action movie, so #5 feels right.  Likewise, the eventual discovery of Venom&#8217;s weakness is accidental, but that plays into the genre. No foul there.</p>

<p>My point is not to rip on Spider-Man 3, but to urge readers to look at their own scripts with an eye towards coincidence.  If you&#8217;ve written a treatment, search for the following phrases: &#8220;at the same time,&#8221; &#8220;accidentally,&#8221; &#8220;luckily,&#8221; &#8220;unfortunately,&#8221; and &#8220;meanwhile.&#8221;  They&#8217;re often a tip-off that you have events happening by coincidence.  There&#8217;s almost always a better alternative.</p>

<h1>Causality trumps everything</h1>

<p>Given a choice, try to find cause and effect.  One event happens <em>because</em> of something else we&#8217;ve seen &#8212; ideally, something the hero himself has done.</p>

<p>Instead of having the hero accidentally overhear a key conversation, get him actively trying to listen.  Or have an interested third party steer him in that direction &#8212; perhaps for his own reasons.  At every juncture where a reader could ask &#8220;Why did that happen?&#8221;, try to have an answer that isn&#8217;t, &#8220;just because.&#8221;</p>

<p>Although there are some convenient twists in the Harry Osborn plot (amnesia, for starters), the causality is clear:  the New Goblin wants revenge on Spider-Man for killing his daddy in the first movie.<sup>3</sup> It doesn&#8217;t feel like coincidence that Harry is flying around on his hoverboard.  With two other villains desperate for scenes, the timing might not be opportune, but it&#8217;s clear why it&#8217;s happening.</p>

<h1>Look for correlation</h1>

<p>Rather than ask an audience to swallow a bunch of little implausibilities, try bundling them together.</p>

<p>In <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0813715/">Heroes</a>, imagine if each character had a completely unique origin story: Claire got her powers from a shaman; Sylar is an alien; Peter has a magic ring.  You&#8217;d get frustrated pretty quickly, because a lot of screen time would go towards explaining why and how.  Instead, the creators wisely decided the characters all had some mysterious gene mutation activated by an environmental change.  The audience is willing to make that one big leap,<sup>4</sup> because they&#8217;re not asked to make similar leaps each time a new character is introduced.<sup>5</sup></p>

<p>For Spider-Man 3, I don&#8217;t have any magic answers on how to correlate these disparate threads &#8212; other than trimming one out, which wouldn&#8217;t be a bad place to start.  But had the script dropped on my desk a month before shooting, here are a few thoughts I would have put out there in terms of the many coincidences:</p>

<ul>
<li>Both Venom and Sandman are forms of disembodied consciousness that control their host subjects &#8212; people and sand, respectively. That seems thematically promising.</li>
<li>One asteroid feels random, while a meteor shower feels like an event that needs a superhero.  </li>
<li>Could this meteor shower overlap with Marko&#8217;s transformation or escape? Even if it&#8217;s just in the background, it makes them feel more united.</li>
<li>Could Spider-Man be pursuing Marko at the start?</li>
<li>Could we see the symbiote choosing Peter, because he&#8217;s the strongest creature around?</li>
</ul>

<h1>Chop it out</h1>

<p>Often, the best answer when faced with a nagging coincidence is just to remove it.</p>

<ul>
<li>Do we really need the Uncle Ben retcon?  It doesn&#8217;t have a lot to do with Marko&#8217;s sick-daughter motivation.</li>
<li>Couldn&#8217;t Eddie Brock already be a stringer for the Daily Bugle?  If he and Peter already have history, great.</li>
<li>Does Gwen Stacy need to be Peter&#8217;s lab partner?</li>
<li>Do we even need the police chief?</li>
</ul>

<p>Again, my point isn&#8217;t to rag on Spidey, but to urge reader-writers take a hard look at the role of coincidence in their own scripts.</p>

<p>Some coincidence feels genuine. In real life, we do accidentally bump into old friends at the mall.  And surprise in general is a good thing &#8212; catching your reader off-balance is a worthy goal. But if a significant portion of your plot depends on chance, that&#8217;s a good indicator something&#8217;s not fully baked.  The best time to tackle these problems is in the outline, asking yourself not only what happens next, but why.</p>

<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_764" class="footnote">It&#8217;s never clear what they&#8217;re supposedly doing, or why they wouldn&#8217;t have, say, a lid on the pit.  Or a videocamera to monitor the experiment.</li><li id="footnote_1_764" class="footnote">Revealing both of these points of information in one piece of dialogue was a particularly bold choice.</li><li id="footnote_2_764" class="footnote">I kept waiting for Peter to point out that Harry&#8217;s dad was a psychopath, but oh well.</li><li id="footnote_3_764" class="footnote">And a familiar leap, frankly, because of X-Men.</li><li id="footnote_4_764" class="footnote">Note that both the D.C. and Marvel universes do have multiple, often conflicting means of empowering their heroes and villains.  This is good and fascinating, but I suspect it&#8217;s one reason it can be harder for a casual reader to pick up these titles. The time investment needed to get up to speed is significant. Quick: Is Scarlet Witch a witch? Ummm&#8230;[Sort of](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch).</li></ol>




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		<title>Air vents are for air</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John August</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ladies and gentlemen, screenwriters, it's time to stop putting character in air vents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" alt="air vent" src="http://johnaugust.com/Assets/airvent.jpg" />On a recent episode of &#8220;<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0411008/">Lost</a>,&#8221; a character climbed through air ducts to get past heavy blast doors, which had trapped him and another character.  By narrative standards, this sequence would seem unremarkable.  Except for one thing:</p>

<p>&#8220;Lost&#8221; takes place on a freaking magical island.</p>

<p>You&#8217;ve got polar bears, black smoke monsters, and a cabal of mysterious Others.  There&#8217;s no shortage of dramatic opportunities, which is why it&#8217;s so disheartening to see the show reach for that lowest-hanging fruit:  a guy in an air duct.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve lived a fairly adventurous life.  I&#8217;ve travelled to five continents.  But the only time I&#8217;ve seen the inside of an air duct is television and movies, when a character &#8212; generally the hero &#8212; has to be clever enough (and small enough) to climb through a conveniently-accessible air duct.</p>

<p>Be it action-adventure, comedy or horror, the air duct has become the hack screenwriter&#8217;s go-to passageway.  In fact, it&#8217;s rumored the season finale of &#8220;<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0247144/">Yes, Dear</a>&#8221; will take place entirely in air ducts.</p>

<p>Ladies and gentlemen, screenwriters, it&#8217;s time to stop.</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s back away from the keyboard and look at the situation with fresh eyes.</p>

<ol>
<li>Most air ducts are not nearly large enough to hold a grown man.</li>
<li>Even if large enough, they&#8217;re not built to support a grown man&#8217;s weight.</li>
<li>&#8220;Secure&#8221; facilities &#8212; where characters are most likely to climb through air vents &#8212; are exactly the places that wouldn&#8217;t have hero-sized air vents.</li>
</ol>

<p>Thanks to continuous bombardment in television and movies, the idea of characters shimmying through air ducts has become not just a clichÃ©, but almost a given.  The moment a hero finds himself stuck someplace, we expect his eyes to drift north to that spot just below the ceiling, where an oversized grate is beckoning:  &#8220;Just yank twice!  I&#8217;m not screwed in or anything!&#8221;</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m proposing:  <strong>The Screenwriter&#8217;s Vow of Air Vent Chastity</strong>.</p>

<p><em>I, John August, hereby swear that I shall never place a character inside an air duct, ventilation shaft, or any other euphemism for a building system designed to move air around.</em></p>

<p>One day, I&#8217;d love to win an Oscar.  An Emmy.  A Tony Award.  But if all I accomplished in my screenwriting life were reducing the number of times characters climbed through air vents, I&#8217;d consider my work successful.</p>

<p>So if you&#8217;re on board, please sign in the comments section and tell all your screenwriting friends.  Remember, only you can prevent clichÃ©s.</p>




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		<title>What became of American McGee&#8217;s Alice?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John August</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://johnaugust.com/img/questionmarks/13.png" /><em>I&#8217;m just wondering what ever happened with the production of &#8220;Dark Wonderland,&#8221; with the American McGee characters of Alice In Wonderland. I haven&#8217;t heard anything about it in a while, and can&#8217;t seem to find much info on it.</em></p>

<p><em>&#8211;  Dan</em><br />
<em>Ontario, Canada</em></p>

<p>To the best of my knowledge, nothing&#8217;s happening with it.</p>

<p>The brief history:  Miramax/Dimension hired me to write a (long) film treatment based on <a href="href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=johnaugustcom-20&amp;path=tg%2Fdetail%2F-%2FB00006G9SB%2Fqid%3D1099782249%2Fsr%3D8-1%2Fref%3Dpd_csp_1%3Fv%3Dglance%26s%3Dvideogames%26n%3D507846">American McGee&#8217;s Alice</a> videogame &#8212; a trippy retelling/continuation of Alice in Wonderland.  Wes Craven was supposed to direct it, but he didn&#8217;t really care for my treatment, and things quickly fell apart.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s so interesting how (mis-) information spreads on the Internet.  For instance, the title &#8220;Dark Wonderland.&#8221;  Don&#8217;t ask me where that came from. It was never real, nor was any of the &#8220;casting&#8221; that was supposedly taking place.</p>

<p>I had lunch a few weeks ago with American, and asked him about it.  He didn&#8217;t really know what was going on either, except that the project&#8217;s apparently at Fox now.  He <a href="http://www.americanmcgee.com/blosxom.cgi/home/fri1904.html">posted everything he knows about the movie</a> at his own site, so people would hopefully stop asking.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ll ask around, but as far as I know, there&#8217;s no script, no director, no actress, nothin&#8217;.  But it&#8217;s still a kick-ass game.  And for his part, American has become a screenwriter himself, so if anyone should take the reins, it&#8217;s him.</p>




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		<title>Selling a story if you&#8217;re not a screenwriter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's hard work to take an idea and turn it into a movie without knowing how to write, but it happens all the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Like millions of other Americans out there, I have what my peers consider a few great movie ideas based on some recognizable cartoon characters. It&#8217;s a live action big budget concept with tons of special effects and an extremely clever twist. I can&#8217;t write the thing myself, but I can participate in its development. What course of action do you recommend? Is there a pool of capable screenwriters waiting for people with ideas to draw from? What can I do to sell my concept and have others develop the story?</em></p>

<p>&#8211;Paul Threatt</p>

<p>We don&#8217;t usually publish last names, but &#8220;Paul Threatt&#8221; seems so cosmically calculated for success, who could resist? If I were you, here&#8217;s what I would do.</p>

<ol><li>Even though you&#8217;re not a writer, do the very best job you can writing down the ideas, just in prose form. Register these treatments with the Writer&#8217;s Guild. (Refer back to one of the upteen columns I&#8217;ve written about that.) Keep in mind that this is really very little protection, since you don&#8217;t own any of the copyrighted characters your idea is based upon. But this whole venture is a crazy longshot, so even a fraction of a percentage of prudence is worth something.
</li>
<li>Move to Los Angeles.
</li>
<li>Get a job working for one of the following places: a big agency, a major studio, a powerful management firm, or a successful filmmaker (producer, screenwriter or director). This isn&#8217;t easy, but it&#8217;s not impossible. Start in the mailroom, or as an intern. Learn everything you can. Figure out who the best writers are.
</li>
<li>Work very hard, so that you&#8217;re promoted a few rungs up from the bottom. This may involve switching companies several times.
</li>
<li>At this moment, and not before, present the very best of your ideas to your boss, or another powerful person you&#8217;ve befriended along the way. Convince them that this is the movie that will make their careers. Then seek out the filmmaker who could get it made, and the studio that controls the rights.
</li></ol>

<p>If everything works perfectly, you could have a movie in production in less than five years. Which is a very long time, granted, but par for the course in movieland.</p>

<p>This whole scenario may sound far-fetched, but it&#8217;s essentially what&#8217;s been happening for decades. Pretty much everyone who comes to Hollywood has one or two great ideas that they&#8217;re convinced should be made. And fortunately, remarkably, they&#8217;re right. Good luck.</p>




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		<title>Got the story, but i can&#8217;t write</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can't write your great idea?  Find someone who can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Is it possible to sell a &quot;story,&quot; &quot;treatment,&quot; or &quot;outline&quot; instead
 of the full script? I see separate story &amp; screenplay credits on films
 all the time. I&#8217;ve got some great ideas, but have no screenwriting skills and
 I believe they would make great films. What can I do?</em>
<em></em></p>

<p>&#8211;Edward Brock</p>

<p>The &quot;story&quot; and &quot;<a href="glossary.html#screenplay">screenplay</a>&quot; credits you see on movies
 are actually determined by the Writers Guild after the movie is finished, and
 don&#8217;t necessarily mean that one person wrote a treatment and someone else wrote
 the script. Often a person getting story credit did write a script, but a later
 writer changed so much that only the essence of the story remained, thus reducing
 the credit. (For the record, &quot;Written by&quot; means the writer receives
 both &quot;story&quot; and &quot;screenplay&quot; credit. The rules are so
 complicated and contentious I recommend you don&#8217;t even think about it unless
you&#8217;re lucky enough to get a studio movie produced.)</p>

<p>In Hollywood, a person with a great idea and no writing talent is called a
 <a href="glossary.html#producer">producer</a>. Or a studio executive. Or a bag boy at Ralphs.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m being glib, but it&#8217;s true. Treatments or pitches from non-writers rarely
 go anywhere. What can and does happen is that a person with a great idea pairs
 up with a real writer and either (a) decides to work on it together, or (b)
 somehow convinces a third party to pay the writer to write it. This is how
 studios <a href="glossary.html#development">develop</a> movies &quot;in-house,&quot; and how a lot of producers function.</p>

<p>My advice? Find a writer. If there&#8217;s a known writer who&#8217;s perfect for it,
 hunt her down through her agent. Or find someone who&#8217;s written a really good
 script, maybe out of a screenwriting program, and convince them to do it. It
 won&#8217;t be easy, but that&#8217;s how to do it.</p>




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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Kafka ran google.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I saw your
 answer about &quot;treatments&quot; and did a search, as suggested, for &quot;James
 Cameron treatment,&quot; on Google. The first two results were links to a SPIDERMAN
 treatment. The third: a link to the IMDB page where you suggested searching
 for &quot;James Cameron treatment.&quot; Stupid, but amusing. <br />
</em>
<em></em></p>

<p>&#8211;Patrick A. Bowman</p>

<p>I&#8217;m waiting for the day a Google search refers back to itself.</p>




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		<title>How long a treatment?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[QandA]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[There's no standard, but past 20 pages I'd be worried.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I am currently writing my first feature length screenplay
 and have been asked to send in a treatment to a production company. What is
 the standard form for
 a treatment (how many pages, etc)? I have trawled the Internet to no avail.</em>
<em></em></p>

<p>&#8211;DOC</p>

<p>There is no standard. Ask the production company what they mean by a treatment,
 and they&#8217;ll probably tell you what they&#8217;re looking for in terms of pages. They
may even send a sample.</p>

<p>For example, my assistant Dana is currently writing a treatment for a production
 company. The treatment will end up being 15-20 pages, single spaced. To me,
 that&#8217;s at the long end of a treatment, but that&#8217;s what the company wanted.</p>

<p>A treatment of any length generally describes all of the major <a href="glossary.html#scene">scenes</a> or <a href="glossary.html#sequence">sequences</a> in the movie in prose form, but doesn&#8217;t get into specific dialogue. From a
 treatment, a reader should be able to get a good sense of the movie&#8217;s plot,
 but not necessarily its special flavor. A treatment is never a substitute for
 a <a href="glossary.html#screenplay">screenplay</a>.</p>




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		<title>Specs, treatments, and pitches</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The differences, defined.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What&#8217;s the difference: spec script, treatment, pitch and
 outline?</em>
<em></em></p>

<p>&#8211;Fabio Bueno</p>

<p>These terms deal with different forms or stages of a screenwriter&#8217;s work.
 A &quot;spec script&quot; is a completed <a href="glossary.html#screenplay">screenplay</a>, probably about 120 pages
 long, that a writer wrote on his own. That&#8217;s the &quot;spec&quot; part, meaning
 that no one paid the writer in advance to write it, just like a house built
 on spec doesn&#8217;t have a buyer until it&#8217;s finished. Most writers&#8217; first <a href="glossary.html#screenplay">screenplays</a> would be considered specs, because it&#8217;s rare for someone to hire a writer without
reading his or her work first.</p>

<p>&quot;Treatment&quot; and &quot;outline&quot; mean different things to different
 people, and one writer&#8217;s treatment might be another&#8217;s outline. Regardless,
 treatments and outlines map out a movie story, often as a precursor to writing
 the full screenplay. An outline might be one page or might be ten; a treatment
 could be three pages or could be thirty. James Cameron is known for writing &quot;scriptments&quot; that
 are 70 pages or more. Ultimately, the length is less important than the function:
 hopefully, an outline or treatment will help a writer spot problems early on,
 so that the finished script will be better. Treatments are usually written
 in paragraph rather than screenplay form, but there are no hard and fast rules.
 Outlines are often more rudimentary, with just <a href="glossary.html#slugline">sluglines</a> to refer to <a href="glossary.html#sequence">sequences</a>.</p>

<p>A &quot;pitch&quot; is the oral presentation of a movie idea, where screenwriters
 explain to <a href="glossary.html#studio">studio</a> executives that their movie is &quot;Ghostbusters meets Titanic.&quot; God
 knows why screenwriters &#8211; who spend most of their days typing in dark rooms
 &#8211; are supposed to be able to suddenly become eloquent and impassioned hucksters,
 but such are the weird realities of Hollywood. Ideally, a pitch should feel
 like how you describe a really good movie to a friend who hasn&#8217;t seen it yet.
 Casual but excited. Truthfully, I usually write every word I&#8217;m going to say
 ahead of time, then internalize it so it feels like I&#8217;m ad-libbing.
There might be situations when you give a &quot;written pitch,&quot; but truthfully,
 that document would probably be an outline or treatment.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve been on panels dedicated to the topic of pitching, and I&#8217;ve come to the
 conclusion that it&#8217;s not a skill that can really be taught. It&#8217;s like stand-up
 comedy. You have to learn through practice in front of actual human beings.</p>




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