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		<title>By: Hey_There</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/spanish-or-mandarin/comment-page-2#comment-171438</link>
		<dc:creator>Hey_There</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I studied 8 languages and truly regret that one of them was not Mandarin or Japanese. Spanish was certainly the easiet to learn, and Arabic was the hardest one I studied due to things like its uber-confusing plurals forms. But, being exposed to Hebrew at early age made getting into Arabic less difficult, merely because their alphabet are similiar and they share other similarities as Semetic languages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you know how to read Russian, then you likely can read certain Greek words and know what they mean due to the Russian alphabet borrowing heavily from Greek.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another funny thing, knowing German helped reading &amp; pronouncing Old English stuff like Canterbury Tales less daunting task.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I studied 8 languages and truly regret that one of them was not Mandarin or Japanese. Spanish was certainly the easiet to learn, and Arabic was the hardest one I studied due to things like its uber-confusing plurals forms. But, being exposed to Hebrew at early age made getting into Arabic less difficult, merely because their alphabet are similiar and they share other similarities as Semetic languages.</p>

<p>If you know how to read Russian, then you likely can read certain Greek words and know what they mean due to the Russian alphabet borrowing heavily from Greek.</p>

<p>Another funny thing, knowing German helped reading &amp; pronouncing Old English stuff like Canterbury Tales less daunting task.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think we should all learn more than one foreign language. I think the hardest thing is discipline, though.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Learning a language takes discipline. I found it easy to learn French because I was studying it at school and at college. I have a lot of books and materials for teaching myself other languages, but I find it hard to discipline myself to learn regularly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My screenwriting is different, perhaps because I am expending creative energy rather than trying to process and remember information.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I still really want to learn them all though, so I think I should be tougher on myself, or try different methods of learning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really enjoy your blog, John :) This was the first post I read when I found your blog and I was really excited to be reading a blog by someone who is passionate about both screenwriting and languages :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice to meet you, John!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should all learn more than one foreign language. I think the hardest thing is discipline, though.</p>

<p>Learning a language takes discipline. I found it easy to learn French because I was studying it at school and at college. I have a lot of books and materials for teaching myself other languages, but I find it hard to discipline myself to learn regularly.</p>

<p>My screenwriting is different, perhaps because I am expending creative energy rather than trying to process and remember information.</p>

<p>I still really want to learn them all though, so I think I should be tougher on myself, or try different methods of learning.</p>

<p>I really enjoy your blog, John :) This was the first post I read when I found your blog and I was really excited to be reading a blog by someone who is passionate about both screenwriting and languages :)</p>

<p>Nice to meet you, John!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/spanish-or-mandarin/comment-page-2#comment-170844</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I took spanish in high school and I really regret it.  I really wish I had taken french or german instead (or most of all, italian but it wasn&#039;t offered).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have never used it, and the places that speak spanish are all pretty low on the list of where I&#039;d like to visit.  I&#039;m just not a fan of the language.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, I favor french/italian/german just because those are the languages most operas are in.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took spanish in high school and I really regret it.  I really wish I had taken french or german instead (or most of all, italian but it wasn&#8217;t offered).</p>

<p>I have never used it, and the places that speak spanish are all pretty low on the list of where I&#8217;d like to visit.  I&#8217;m just not a fan of the language.</p>

<p>Personally, I favor french/italian/german just because those are the languages most operas are in.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: elpea</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/spanish-or-mandarin/comment-page-2#comment-170817</link>
		<dc:creator>elpea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I think it can be very useful to learn Spanish (I grew up in a Spanish-speaking household), I think that it would be very useful for anyone in the arts/culture business to learn French--and not just for the European angle, but for all oft hose interactions with former French colonies. From the Caribbean to Africa to South East Asia, there are wonderful film projects being produced in French. While the relationship of the formerly colonized to the language of their colonizers is complex and complicated, it&#039;s also true that there is work being done that is only accessible in French.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, learning a language, especially for US English speakers seems to work best for those who really like a language/culture/have a reason to pursue it. While I can see the point of learning a language for the value it has in the workforce, I&#039;m still frustrated that kids who have the opportunity to be raised with bilingual literacy--Spanish speakers, both Cantonese and Mandarin speakers, the French-speaking Caribeños such as the Haitian Creole speakers, etc., are penalized in elementary school for having a non-English first language and emerging literacy in a first language which in turn often destroys access to literacy in a second language. All the while folks in the more elite high schools are doing semester-long exchanges to Spain.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I saw this happen again and again in the Boston Public Schools;nothing sadder than watching  there&#039;s nothing sadder than watching immigrant kids from Hong Kong and China being banned for speaking their home language and their parents demonized while &quot;white&quot; kids are being funneled into Mandarin classes to take advantage of future business opportunities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would be great to institutionalize second languages for native English speakers in the US---with the caveat that there are variants of native English that should be honored as well, perhaps---and in addition, allow those who have a first language other than English to achieve literacy in that language. It&#039;s near impossible to gain true literacy with only social interactions. Being able to have bilingual education opportunities works for us all (and I supported two-way bilingual immersion programs once upon a time when I worked
in Boston area public schools--several were very successful in developing language competency in the elementary curriculum in two languages, whether the native language was Spanish/English, Cantonese/English, Vietnamese/English, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think it can be very useful to learn Spanish (I grew up in a Spanish-speaking household), I think that it would be very useful for anyone in the arts/culture business to learn French&#8211;and not just for the European angle, but for all oft hose interactions with former French colonies. From the Caribbean to Africa to South East Asia, there are wonderful film projects being produced in French. While the relationship of the formerly colonized to the language of their colonizers is complex and complicated, it&#8217;s also true that there is work being done that is only accessible in French.</p>

<p>That said, learning a language, especially for US English speakers seems to work best for those who really like a language/culture/have a reason to pursue it. While I can see the point of learning a language for the value it has in the workforce, I&#8217;m still frustrated that kids who have the opportunity to be raised with bilingual literacy&#8211;Spanish speakers, both Cantonese and Mandarin speakers, the French-speaking Caribeños such as the Haitian Creole speakers, etc., are penalized in elementary school for having a non-English first language and emerging literacy in a first language which in turn often destroys access to literacy in a second language. All the while folks in the more elite high schools are doing semester-long exchanges to Spain.</p>

<p>I saw this happen again and again in the Boston Public Schools;nothing sadder than watching  there&#8217;s nothing sadder than watching immigrant kids from Hong Kong and China being banned for speaking their home language and their parents demonized while &#8220;white&#8221; kids are being funneled into Mandarin classes to take advantage of future business opportunities.</p>

<p>It would be great to institutionalize second languages for native English speakers in the US&#8212;with the caveat that there are variants of native English that should be honored as well, perhaps&#8212;and in addition, allow those who have a first language other than English to achieve literacy in that language. It&#8217;s near impossible to gain true literacy with only social interactions. Being able to have bilingual education opportunities works for us all (and I supported two-way bilingual immersion programs once upon a time when I worked
in Boston area public schools&#8211;several were very successful in developing language competency in the elementary curriculum in two languages, whether the native language was Spanish/English, Cantonese/English, Vietnamese/English, etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Todd Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find it interesting you don&#039;t have Russian mentioned anywhere that I saw, considering your husband majored in it at Notre Dame (we went to high school together).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting you don&#8217;t have Russian mentioned anywhere that I saw, considering your husband majored in it at Notre Dame (we went to high school together).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/spanish-or-mandarin/comment-page-1#comment-170767</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I got stuck on a mountain in Spain, and had to knock on people&#039;s doors to get directions to a petrol pump. I spoke in Italian, they blinked, understood and replied in Spanish. Hey presto - the joy of romance languages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m in a multilingual environment here. The language I want the kids to try after the ones they learn in school will be Russian, which is very much the language of the future with Chinese (but a lot closer to us in Europe).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got stuck on a mountain in Spain, and had to knock on people&#8217;s doors to get directions to a petrol pump. I spoke in Italian, they blinked, understood and replied in Spanish. Hey presto &#8211; the joy of romance languages.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m in a multilingual environment here. The language I want the kids to try after the ones they learn in school will be Russian, which is very much the language of the future with Chinese (but a lot closer to us in Europe).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would give French the edge over Spanish, although that depends on the region. In California or Texas, sure Spanish is the way to go. If you&#039;re in Detroit, you&#039;re within driving distance of Montreal, so that changes things.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;French doesn&#039;t have as many native speakers, but there&#039;s a lot more total speakers, which means it&#039;ll be just as useful for traveling-- with French and English you&#039;re unlikely to go anywhere you can&#039;t find someone to talk to. If you want to travel in Europe, especially. As romance languages, they&#039;re both useful jumping of points for learning others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would say French, and French-Canadian, film and literature is influential enough to give French the edge-- but I&#039;m a Canadian, so it&#039;s not even a contest for me.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would give French the edge over Spanish, although that depends on the region. In California or Texas, sure Spanish is the way to go. If you&#8217;re in Detroit, you&#8217;re within driving distance of Montreal, so that changes things.</p>

<p>French doesn&#8217;t have as many native speakers, but there&#8217;s a lot more total speakers, which means it&#8217;ll be just as useful for traveling&#8211; with French and English you&#8217;re unlikely to go anywhere you can&#8217;t find someone to talk to. If you want to travel in Europe, especially. As romance languages, they&#8217;re both useful jumping of points for learning others.</p>

<p>I would say French, and French-Canadian, film and literature is influential enough to give French the edge&#8211; but I&#8217;m a Canadian, so it&#8217;s not even a contest for me.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: awfulstink</title>
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		<dc:creator>awfulstink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For the sake of not self-destructing in a global religious war, I think Arabic would be a good way to go. It&#039;s the most different-from-English language I&#039;ve ever tried to learn--not just in its grammar, alphabet, etc., but in the thought patterns, sociology, history, religion, and just plain manners that go with it. There just can&#039;t be any real understanding when you literally don&#039;t have the words. We just end up falling back on the shorthand of stereotypes and fear. Any new language also enables us to get some much-needed perspective on ourselves. They should be taught liberally and starting as early as possibly in school, cuz by the time we&#039;re 10 our brains just don&#039;t soak it up anymore.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the sake of not self-destructing in a global religious war, I think Arabic would be a good way to go. It&#8217;s the most different-from-English language I&#8217;ve ever tried to learn&#8211;not just in its grammar, alphabet, etc., but in the thought patterns, sociology, history, religion, and just plain manners that go with it. There just can&#8217;t be any real understanding when you literally don&#8217;t have the words. We just end up falling back on the shorthand of stereotypes and fear. Any new language also enables us to get some much-needed perspective on ourselves. They should be taught liberally and starting as early as possibly in school, cuz by the time we&#8217;re 10 our brains just don&#8217;t soak it up anymore.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Dittell</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/spanish-or-mandarin/comment-page-1#comment-170655</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dittell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was just discussing this with my roommate last night.  If you live in Los Angeles, both of these are great.  There&#039;s a lot of really good Mexican food in the city and Chinese food in the Pasadena area and it certainly helps to know the languages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Spanish is more useful overall here because, unless you live in San Gabriel Valley, you&#039;re just going to come across more people who prefer speaking in Spanish. Everyone from wait staff to G&amp;E crew to your doctor is going to more quickly converse in Spanish than in English.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also think the Spanish-language media is important too, as it gives you extra motivation to learn. Who doesn&#039;t want to match Hispanic-America game shows?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I&#039;ve learned from one of my friends, Arabic fluency is very sought after in government work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>

<p>I was just discussing this with my roommate last night.  If you live in Los Angeles, both of these are great.  There&#8217;s a lot of really good Mexican food in the city and Chinese food in the Pasadena area and it certainly helps to know the languages.</p>

<p>I think Spanish is more useful overall here because, unless you live in San Gabriel Valley, you&#8217;re just going to come across more people who prefer speaking in Spanish. Everyone from wait staff to G&amp;E crew to your doctor is going to more quickly converse in Spanish than in English.</p>

<p>I also think the Spanish-language media is important too, as it gives you extra motivation to learn. Who doesn&#8217;t want to match Hispanic-America game shows?</p>

<p>As I&#8217;ve learned from one of my friends, Arabic fluency is very sought after in government work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@George - That&#039;s partly true. A lot of the time Chinese people can understand what is being said in a regional dialect but not be able to speak it. They&#039;ve had a lot of practice considering the current president is the first leader since 1949 to speak Mandarin without a very strong regional accent.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George &#8211; That&#8217;s partly true. A lot of the time Chinese people can understand what is being said in a regional dialect but not be able to speak it. They&#8217;ve had a lot of practice considering the current president is the first leader since 1949 to speak Mandarin without a very strong regional accent.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Oldboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree with Fred. If you live in the U.S., have no need to speak Mandarin, have no Chinese speakers in your proximity and no interest in Mandarin-speaking culture, why the hell would you learn Mandarin? Because the economy is growing? So is Vietnam&#039;s, and there are far fewer people learning Vietnamese; you could corner the market.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Honestly, making a &quot;list&quot; like this is silly. It&#039;s like telling a kid to practice his guitar playing when he has shown no interest in guitars or the relevant types of music.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And guess what, not everybody needs to learn a foreign language. For the majority of people, particularly native English speakers, it is completely optional. The benefits are great, but it is not a necessity. You learn a second language for very personal reasons; the language you learn cannot be separated from this context. To make a list suggesting otherwise is silly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my opinion, however, everyone should learn Korean. Koreans make great movies, great food, and have the world&#039;s 13th largest economy. And they don&#039;t censor the internet.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Fred. If you live in the U.S., have no need to speak Mandarin, have no Chinese speakers in your proximity and no interest in Mandarin-speaking culture, why the hell would you learn Mandarin? Because the economy is growing? So is Vietnam&#8217;s, and there are far fewer people learning Vietnamese; you could corner the market.</p>

<p>Honestly, making a &#8220;list&#8221; like this is silly. It&#8217;s like telling a kid to practice his guitar playing when he has shown no interest in guitars or the relevant types of music.</p>

<p>And guess what, not everybody needs to learn a foreign language. For the majority of people, particularly native English speakers, it is completely optional. The benefits are great, but it is not a necessity. You learn a second language for very personal reasons; the language you learn cannot be separated from this context. To make a list suggesting otherwise is silly.</p>

<p>In my opinion, however, everyone should learn Korean. Koreans make great movies, great food, and have the world&#8217;s 13th largest economy. And they don&#8217;t censor the internet.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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