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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/one-scene-fair-use/comment-page-1#comment-173530</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The industry term for this - or at least the term at Universal - is a &quot;text excerpt.&quot; And yes, they want you to pay through the nose for the tiniest use of previously published/filmed dialogue. If you have a connection at the studio, you might be able to get a freebie.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The industry term for this &#8211; or at least the term at Universal &#8211; is a &#8220;text excerpt.&#8221; And yes, they want you to pay through the nose for the tiniest use of previously published/filmed dialogue. If you have a connection at the studio, you might be able to get a freebie.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eleanor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleanor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t have time to read all the above comments, but I suspect you would also need to get the performers permission to use their performance in the DVD...?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have time to read all the above comments, but I suspect you would also need to get the performers permission to use their performance in the DVD&#8230;?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Micael Bogar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micael Bogar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might find the educational material on fair use at the Center for Social Media helpful to you in coming to your own conclusions on fair use. They explain the logic of fair use, which you can apply to your own situation. (While all of our publications have been vetted by the best lawyers in the field, its important to note that we&#039;re not lawyers and cannot offer legal advice.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have three publications that are all free and available on line that highlight fair use in different contexts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All can be found at: www.centerforsocialmedia.org/fairuse&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Documentary Filmmakers Statement of Best Practices in Fair Use
Code of Best Practices in Fair Use for Media Literacy Education
Code of Best Practices in Fair Use for Online Video&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Best of luck
Micael Bogar&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might find the educational material on fair use at the Center for Social Media helpful to you in coming to your own conclusions on fair use. They explain the logic of fair use, which you can apply to your own situation. (While all of our publications have been vetted by the best lawyers in the field, its important to note that we&#8217;re not lawyers and cannot offer legal advice.)</p>

<p>We have three publications that are all free and available on line that highlight fair use in different contexts.</p>

<p>All can be found at: <a href="http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/fairuse" rel="nofollow">http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/fairuse</a></p>

<p>Documentary Filmmakers Statement of Best Practices in Fair Use
Code of Best Practices in Fair Use for Media Literacy Education
Code of Best Practices in Fair Use for Online Video</p>

<p>Best of luck
Micael Bogar</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/one-scene-fair-use/comment-page-1#comment-173179</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My suspicion is that this is a Nina Foch project, which I think should help things considerably -- honestly, she was so beloved by so many people she worked with, I would think you could find one advocate at each studio to plead the case of the scenes included.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[Beginning of non-professional legal advice]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Every time I&#039;ve tangled with issues of copyright and usage, the issue was that if the the corporation did not pursue this infringement, it would leave the door open for future parties to do the same and get away with it because an early instance had gone un-prosecuted.  However, if you get permission from the copyright holder of each text, they won&#039;t have left any doors open, and you&#039;ll be able to sleep at night knowing there isn&#039;t a lawsuit around the corner.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[End of non-professional legal advice]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way, I would buy said DVD in a hot second, so I hope you&#039;re successful.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suspicion is that this is a Nina Foch project, which I think should help things considerably &#8212; honestly, she was so beloved by so many people she worked with, I would think you could find one advocate at each studio to plead the case of the scenes included.</p>

<p>[Beginning of non-professional legal advice]</p>

<p>Every time I&#8217;ve tangled with issues of copyright and usage, the issue was that if the the corporation did not pursue this infringement, it would leave the door open for future parties to do the same and get away with it because an early instance had gone un-prosecuted.  However, if you get permission from the copyright holder of each text, they won&#8217;t have left any doors open, and you&#8217;ll be able to sleep at night knowing there isn&#8217;t a lawsuit around the corner.</p>

<p>[End of non-professional legal advice]</p>

<p>By the way, I would buy said DVD in a hot second, so I hope you&#8217;re successful.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/one-scene-fair-use/comment-page-1#comment-173168</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I thought that dramatic stage rights were one of the separated rights that screenwriters retain (along with publishing rights, as you pointed out.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;checked&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mr. Mazin seems to agree with me -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://artfulwriter.com/?p=44&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No idea what happened in the case of &quot;Legally Blonde&quot;, but it seems to me that those writers should have been paid/credited/etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>

<p>I thought that dramatic stage rights were one of the separated rights that screenwriters retain (along with publishing rights, as you pointed out.)</p>

<p><em>checked</em></p>

<p>Mr. Mazin seems to agree with me -</p>

<p><a href="http://artfulwriter.com/?p=44" rel="nofollow">http://artfulwriter.com/?p=44</a></p>

<p>No idea what happened in the case of &#8220;Legally Blonde&#8221;, but it seems to me that those writers should have been paid/credited/etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This reminds me of an incident a while ago when kids from some high school did a theater performance of Clerks. Studio/Kevin Smith got wind of it and shut it down. My apologies, I couldn&#039;t find a link.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This DVD seems like such a small thing that it probably wouldn&#039;t be a big deal. My graduation video at my old high school used clips of movies in it, and the kid responsible for making it most certainly didn&#039;t get permission.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To strengthen your case, I&#039;d go for the non-commercial way, maybe opting for a voluntary donation (that&#039;s really mandatory by way of guilt).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then again, my advice is basically telling you to circumvent whatever laws may exist, so take it with extreme caution. If I was the careful sort, I would follow Jeff&#039;s advice.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of an incident a while ago when kids from some high school did a theater performance of Clerks. Studio/Kevin Smith got wind of it and shut it down. My apologies, I couldn&#8217;t find a link.</p>

<p>This DVD seems like such a small thing that it probably wouldn&#8217;t be a big deal. My graduation video at my old high school used clips of movies in it, and the kid responsible for making it most certainly didn&#8217;t get permission.</p>

<p>To strengthen your case, I&#8217;d go for the non-commercial way, maybe opting for a voluntary donation (that&#8217;s really mandatory by way of guilt).</p>

<p>Then again, my advice is basically telling you to circumvent whatever laws may exist, so take it with extreme caution. If I was the careful sort, I would follow Jeff&#8217;s advice.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Anna--i think the problem with this approach would be the extra work involved in editing and completing a DVD and then potentially having to go back and re-cut the whole thing...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;studios just want their money, they&#039;re not going to look at the DVD and base their decision on its merits.  and i doubt the author of the material will be able to sway the studio one way or the other (if the author even bothers to look at the DVD anyway).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the studio will almost certainly want some financial compensation for the use of the material, they&#039;re not going to say &quot;oh yeah, that&#039;s fair use...no need to pay us!&quot;  they&#039;re going to try to get what they can.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so really a better process would be:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1.) contact the person at the studio in charge of rights and clearances and explain exactly, in very specific detail, what you&#039;re doing with the work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2.) they will quote a price.  if it&#039;s affordable, hooray!  if it&#039;s too high, maybe submit a counter offer or try to negotiate by offering to use less of the work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3.) if the price is still too high, you have to weigh the following options:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a.) don&#039;t use the material.
b.) use the material anyway, hoping that the DVD is small enough of a release not to merit any legal attention from the studio, but preparing a fair use case in case they decide to go after you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;yes, you&#039;ll likely spend more on a lawsuit than you would have on the license, so keep that in mind.  but you may also get a cease and desist letter before it gets to that level, in which case you can just stop putting out the DVD or you can re-edit it (also costly options).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;bottom line: try to get permission first, then go from there.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anna&#8211;i think the problem with this approach would be the extra work involved in editing and completing a DVD and then potentially having to go back and re-cut the whole thing&#8230;</p>

<p>studios just want their money, they&#8217;re not going to look at the DVD and base their decision on its merits.  and i doubt the author of the material will be able to sway the studio one way or the other (if the author even bothers to look at the DVD anyway).</p>

<p>the studio will almost certainly want some financial compensation for the use of the material, they&#8217;re not going to say &#8220;oh yeah, that&#8217;s fair use&#8230;no need to pay us!&#8221;  they&#8217;re going to try to get what they can.</p>

<p>so really a better process would be:</p>

<p>1.) contact the person at the studio in charge of rights and clearances and explain exactly, in very specific detail, what you&#8217;re doing with the work.</p>

<p>2.) they will quote a price.  if it&#8217;s affordable, hooray!  if it&#8217;s too high, maybe submit a counter offer or try to negotiate by offering to use less of the work.</p>

<p>3.) if the price is still too high, you have to weigh the following options:</p>

<p>a.) don&#8217;t use the material.
b.) use the material anyway, hoping that the DVD is small enough of a release not to merit any legal attention from the studio, but preparing a fair use case in case they decide to go after you.</p>

<p>yes, you&#8217;ll likely spend more on a lawsuit than you would have on the license, so keep that in mind.  but you may also get a cease and desist letter before it gets to that level, in which case you can just stop putting out the DVD or you can re-edit it (also costly options).</p>

<p>bottom line: try to get permission first, then go from there.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;S-t-r-e-t-c-h&lt;/em&gt; . . . I focused on IP law in law school, but I don&#039;t get to use it much these days.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most of the info here is good, so I don&#039;t have too much to add. I just wanted to reinforce the idea that fair use is an affirmative defense, meaning it&#039;s something that you have to assert - and that you will bear the burden of proving - at trial. You may avoid some serious hassle if you just ask pretty please.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, John, if you retain the ability to publish your scripts, that&#039;s because you&#039;ve contracted to keep that right. That right is not a legal imperative, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessarily the case that other writers would have the same contract terms as you. Also, I would think that projecting your words onto a screen would be considered a public performance, rather than publishing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lastly, asking nicely doesn&#039;t ruin your right to assert fair use. But, as others have asserted, based upon the facts as described by Diane, fair use probably wouldn&#039;t hold up as a defense anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>S-t-r-e-t-c-h</em> . . . I focused on IP law in law school, but I don&#8217;t get to use it much these days.</p>

<p>Most of the info here is good, so I don&#8217;t have too much to add. I just wanted to reinforce the idea that fair use is an affirmative defense, meaning it&#8217;s something that you have to assert &#8211; and that you will bear the burden of proving &#8211; at trial. You may avoid some serious hassle if you just ask pretty please.</p>

<p>Also, John, if you retain the ability to publish your scripts, that&#8217;s because you&#8217;ve contracted to keep that right. That right is not a legal imperative, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessarily the case that other writers would have the same contract terms as you. Also, I would think that projecting your words onto a screen would be considered a public performance, rather than publishing.</p>

<p>Lastly, asking nicely doesn&#8217;t ruin your right to assert fair use. But, as others have asserted, based upon the facts as described by Diane, fair use probably wouldn&#8217;t hold up as a defense anyway.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@zuckerman -- wow, it&#039;s a good thing Neil Simon never found out about the regional high school drama competitions I was in.  We used his scenes over and over and over again.... Now I want to sign this &quot;anonymous&quot; so he doesn&#039;t go looking....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zuckerman &#8212; wow, it&#8217;s a good thing Neil Simon never found out about the regional high school drama competitions I was in.  We used his scenes over and over and over again&#8230;. Now I want to sign this &#8220;anonymous&#8221; so he doesn&#8217;t go looking&#8230;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s what you should do, in six easy steps:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Get permission from the teacher&#039;s estate. After all, she created this educational material.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Make the DVD and include all the scenes you deem necessary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) Send the finished video (or at least a decent roughcut) to the author of the screenplay and include a nice letter. This is common courtesy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4) Send a copy to the studio (its legal dept I suppose) to notify it of your project. Simply tell them that you regard the use of the scene(s) in this context as fair; ask if they have any problems with that understanding.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5) If the studio refuses to grant its permission (or wants to make you pay) let the screenwriter know. He/she needs to know how bloodyminded they are. Perhaps the writer knows someone and can make  phone calls on your behalf!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;6) OK, if there&#039;s no way you can get permission you&#039;ll just have to cut out the scene(s).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;:)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P.S. Perhaps it&#039;d be a good idea to include not one scene but several. Then you can contact several authors and several studios/rightholders and some of them are bound to give you permission (without charging you for it).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what you should do, in six easy steps:</p>

<p>1) Get permission from the teacher&#8217;s estate. After all, she created this educational material.</p>

<p>2) Make the DVD and include all the scenes you deem necessary.</p>

<p>3) Send the finished video (or at least a decent roughcut) to the author of the screenplay and include a nice letter. This is common courtesy.</p>

<p>4) Send a copy to the studio (its legal dept I suppose) to notify it of your project. Simply tell them that you regard the use of the scene(s) in this context as fair; ask if they have any problems with that understanding.</p>

<p>5) If the studio refuses to grant its permission (or wants to make you pay) let the screenwriter know. He/she needs to know how bloodyminded they are. Perhaps the writer knows someone and can make  phone calls on your behalf!</p>

<p>6) OK, if there&#8217;s no way you can get permission you&#8217;ll just have to cut out the scene(s).</p>

<p>:)</p>

<p>P.S. Perhaps it&#8217;d be a good idea to include not one scene but several. Then you can contact several authors and several studios/rightholders and some of them are bound to give you permission (without charging you for it).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zuckerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My experience as a college prof teaching acting/directing is that you&#039;re almost always safe as long as the endeavor is PURELY educational. There are some writers that expressly forbid use of their material (Woody Allen and Neil Simon are two that come to mind) for even educational purposes. In fact, I think Simon had gone as far as to use legal action against students who used his stuff in college forensic competition.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But selling the DVD adds complications and frankly, as a writer, I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d want amateurs performing my work out of context. It&#039;s been said a few times here, but CYA and get permission.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience as a college prof teaching acting/directing is that you&#8217;re almost always safe as long as the endeavor is PURELY educational. There are some writers that expressly forbid use of their material (Woody Allen and Neil Simon are two that come to mind) for even educational purposes. In fact, I think Simon had gone as far as to use legal action against students who used his stuff in college forensic competition.</p>

<p>But selling the DVD adds complications and frankly, as a writer, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d want amateurs performing my work out of context. It&#8217;s been said a few times here, but CYA and get permission.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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