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		<title>By: Mani</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171800</link>
		<dc:creator>Mani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: What&#039;s come to be the Sarah Controversy - I&#039;m Pro-Sarah and &lt;a href=&quot;http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF020-Skub.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anti-Skub&lt;/a&gt;; I just couldn&#039;t reconcile any other position with my most personal morals.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Re: The actual article - I might actually kill a man to see more of this. Is there anything else you want us to get a certain amount of reviews for within a set time-frame? Maybe you need us to actually review someone &lt;i&gt;to death&lt;/i&gt;? In 24 hours?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Re: Perseus&#039; people skills - You&#039;re not going to make any friends that way, Einstein. (But did you see the way that Andromeda chick was looking at him?)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: What&#8217;s come to be the Sarah Controversy &#8211; I&#8217;m Pro-Sarah and <a href="http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF020-Skub.gif" rel="nofollow">Anti-Skub</a>; I just couldn&#8217;t reconcile any other position with my most personal morals.</p>

<p>Re: The actual article &#8211; I might actually kill a man to see more of this. Is there anything else you want us to get a certain amount of reviews for within a set time-frame? Maybe you need us to actually review someone <i>to death</i>? In 24 hours?</p>

<p>Re: Perseus&#8217; people skills &#8211; You&#8217;re not going to make any friends that way, Einstein. (But did you see the way that Andromeda chick was looking at him?)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brenton</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171736</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Honestly, with the whole Sarah debacle, one thing that really gets to me is when people try to give me notes on structure when I show them a quick scene I wrote or a very early draft. I honestly don&#039;t care that the screenwriting book you&#039;re reading right now told you not to mention the camera, when I&#039;m writing a rough draft I&#039;m just trying to get the scene out of my head and onto paper, I&#039;m not too worried about formatting issues until later drafts, when I&#039;m actually thinking of trying to send it out to people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Still, good that you&#039;re learning and everything, and according to the &quot;rules&quot; you are correct. But when people show you something as rough as this, they are generally looking for your thoughts on the general idea of it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just my two cents. But again, Sarah has every right to say what she said, and she is right, but IMO you might want to lay off of comments like that on rough scenes in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, with the whole Sarah debacle, one thing that really gets to me is when people try to give me notes on structure when I show them a quick scene I wrote or a very early draft. I honestly don&#8217;t care that the screenwriting book you&#8217;re reading right now told you not to mention the camera, when I&#8217;m writing a rough draft I&#8217;m just trying to get the scene out of my head and onto paper, I&#8217;m not too worried about formatting issues until later drafts, when I&#8217;m actually thinking of trying to send it out to people.</p>

<p>Still, good that you&#8217;re learning and everything, and according to the &#8220;rules&#8221; you are correct. But when people show you something as rough as this, they are generally looking for your thoughts on the general idea of it.</p>

<p>Just my two cents. But again, Sarah has every right to say what she said, and she is right, but IMO you might want to lay off of comments like that on rough scenes in the future.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171690</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@carol&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A fight based upon misunderstandings on both sides isn&#039;t good. I don&#039;t like to fight. I didn&#039;t mean it the way like it&#039;s been interpreted. It had nothing to do with criticism (maybe I picked the wrong words which made it sound saucy and maybe I should have started with &quot;What if you&#039;d rewrite this scene... were my following choices made right...&quot; - again, I&#039;m currently trying to get a feeling for rewriting scenes. I didn&#039;t mean to criticise a &quot;note&quot; - I got tons of notes in my books as well which would look differently in a spec) and I really appreciate John&#039;s work - he&#039;s my #1 screenwriter and I&#039;m very greatful for this blog!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@carol</p>

<p>A fight based upon misunderstandings on both sides isn&#8217;t good. I don&#8217;t like to fight. I didn&#8217;t mean it the way like it&#8217;s been interpreted. It had nothing to do with criticism (maybe I picked the wrong words which made it sound saucy and maybe I should have started with &#8220;What if you&#8217;d rewrite this scene&#8230; were my following choices made right&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; again, I&#8217;m currently trying to get a feeling for rewriting scenes. I didn&#8217;t mean to criticise a &#8220;note&#8221; &#8211; I got tons of notes in my books as well which would look differently in a spec) and I really appreciate John&#8217;s work &#8211; he&#8217;s my #1 screenwriter and I&#8217;m very greatful for this blog!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171687</link>
		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I say a more interesting screenplay would be to get Bill, dabba, and Sarah in a room and watch them have a death match over this rather innocuous OP.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bill, because he came out of the box fighting gladiator style, flinging the F word; Sarah, because her remarks missed the entire point of the post, and dabba because, dear God, whoever you are, it&#039;s spelled YOU not U, and John never said it was subpar work, he said it was a screenplay he set aside and didn&#039;t go back to. Not-polished is not the same thing as subpar.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;During this fight I elect Blitzen to play the referee. Someone fetch me some popcorn and a diet Coke, please, I&#039;ll be sitting in the front row.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say a more interesting screenplay would be to get Bill, dabba, and Sarah in a room and watch them have a death match over this rather innocuous OP.</p>

<p>Bill, because he came out of the box fighting gladiator style, flinging the F word; Sarah, because her remarks missed the entire point of the post, and dabba because, dear God, whoever you are, it&#8217;s spelled YOU not U, and John never said it was subpar work, he said it was a screenplay he set aside and didn&#8217;t go back to. Not-polished is not the same thing as subpar.</p>

<p>During this fight I elect Blitzen to play the referee. Someone fetch me some popcorn and a diet Coke, please, I&#8217;ll be sitting in the front row.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171685</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like this.  I could see it and scenes like it being very short animated episodes in a series.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this.  I could see it and scenes like it being very short animated episodes in a series.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Blitzen</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171678</link>
		<dc:creator>Blitzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m pretty sure the &quot;Ola kala&quot; was a joke, hence the winky face. You people need to calm down.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the &#8220;Ola kala&#8221; was a joke, hence the winky face. You people need to calm down.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171677</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Sarah: not buying it. Seemed like an insult.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, you still have not defended your “Ola kala” suggestion. I think everyone on this board would agree that was pretty tone-deaf.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sarah: not buying it. Seemed like an insult.</p>

<p>Also, you still have not defended your “Ola kala” suggestion. I think everyone on this board would agree that was pretty tone-deaf.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dabba</title>
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		<dc:creator>dabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In screenwriting groups, i have seen a surge of the, &quot;insert contemporary culture or pop phenomenon into ancient times&quot; meme. i read a script about jerusalem idol, u know, set in ancient jerusalem, and another about cleopatra&#039;s wedding like the bachelorette show or some such...needless to say, they were all terribly lame, as was this scene.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for taking the risk of showing us an example of ur admittedly sub par work instead of ur usual awesomeness. Appreciate all that u do for us. cheers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In screenwriting groups, i have seen a surge of the, &#8220;insert contemporary culture or pop phenomenon into ancient times&#8221; meme. i read a script about jerusalem idol, u know, set in ancient jerusalem, and another about cleopatra&#8217;s wedding like the bachelorette show or some such&#8230;needless to say, they were all terribly lame, as was this scene.</p>

<p>Thanks for taking the risk of showing us an example of ur admittedly sub par work instead of ur usual awesomeness. Appreciate all that u do for us. cheers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Script Doctor Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Script Doctor Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It does seem similar to what YEAR ONE looks to be...and kinds Mel Brooks-ish... cool stuff.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I saw the post I thought it said &quot;Geeks,&quot; and I thought, &quot;Yeah, we&#039;re screenwriting geeks, thanks for calling us out on it, John.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead, I just need new glasses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the post.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem similar to what YEAR ONE looks to be&#8230;and kinds Mel Brooks-ish&#8230; cool stuff.</p>

<p>When I saw the post I thought it said &#8220;Geeks,&#8221; and I thought, &#8220;Yeah, we&#8217;re screenwriting geeks, thanks for calling us out on it, John.&#8221;</p>

<p>Instead, I just need new glasses.</p>

<p>Thanks for the post.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Johnny Hartmann</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171673</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Hartmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Strangely, this has been the most educational post so far. Reading a scene that was never intended for other eyes tells a lot more about a writer&#039;s thought process than any article. Any chance of posting the rest of the draft?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangely, this has been the most educational post so far. Reading a scene that was never intended for other eyes tells a lot more about a writer&#8217;s thought process than any article. Any chance of posting the rest of the draft?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/greeks/comment-page-1#comment-171671</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Sarah&#039;s problems with the action lines...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My take is that they help with the rhythm of the scene.  There&#039;s economy in writing, and there&#039;s writing something that&#039;s entertaining to read.  You have to consider both.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, look at the &quot;Perseus shrugs it off. Then reconsiders...&quot; line.  Obviously, John wants a quick silent beat there.  So does he write &quot;Beat&quot; or does he write something that reads more enjoyably?  Both options take up one line, so in terms of screenwriting economy, they&#039;re the same.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sarah&#8217;s problems with the action lines&#8230;</p>

<p>My take is that they help with the rhythm of the scene.  There&#8217;s economy in writing, and there&#8217;s writing something that&#8217;s entertaining to read.  You have to consider both.</p>

<p>For example, look at the &#8220;Perseus shrugs it off. Then reconsiders&#8230;&#8221; line.  Obviously, John wants a quick silent beat there.  So does he write &#8220;Beat&#8221; or does he write something that reads more enjoyably?  Both options take up one line, so in terms of screenwriting economy, they&#8217;re the same.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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