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		<title>By: Clap Trap</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/gilbert/comment-page-1#comment-170694</link>
		<dc:creator>Clap Trap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why is this approach a less stressful one for writing?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Aren&#039;t we just substituting the anxiety of not being able to create brilliant work, for the anxiety of a capricious daemon rarely/never showing up? Or worse... What if the &quot;genius&quot; helping us thinks Police Academy 5 was a master work?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Honestly I feel more empowered knowing that the power to succeed at my task is within me, and not dependent on the whim of some supernatural muse.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whatever works for you I guess.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this approach a less stressful one for writing?</p>

<p>Aren&#8217;t we just substituting the anxiety of not being able to create brilliant work, for the anxiety of a capricious daemon rarely/never showing up? Or worse&#8230; What if the &#8220;genius&#8221; helping us thinks Police Academy 5 was a master work?</p>

<p>Honestly I feel more empowered knowing that the power to succeed at my task is within me, and not dependent on the whim of some supernatural muse.</p>

<p>Whatever works for you I guess.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mercury</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/gilbert/comment-page-1#comment-170661</link>
		<dc:creator>mercury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know anything about Gilbert&#039;s history or work, really, so I can&#039;t comment on people ripping her to shreds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as the basic idea she touts, it&#039;s weird how many people get fixated on the airy-fairy terminology she delves into -- which, by the way, I didn&#039;t get the sense she actually buys into on more than a metaphorical level --as a way to discount her argument, which is basically that there is an unconscious level to creaivity, an implied connection to a larger source of knowledge that we don&#039;t fully understand, but that most people have had experience with.  Not just in the arts, but in the sciences or any other field which incorporates innovation and invention.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ask a quantum physicist what they might think of this notion.  And maybe get over your own self-importance just a little bit, you stern demanders of &quot;accountability&quot; out there.  You sound like a bunch of dried out prune-faced old Puritans.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about Gilbert&#8217;s history or work, really, so I can&#8217;t comment on people ripping her to shreds.</p>

<p>As far as the basic idea she touts, it&#8217;s weird how many people get fixated on the airy-fairy terminology she delves into &#8212; which, by the way, I didn&#8217;t get the sense she actually buys into on more than a metaphorical level &#8211;as a way to discount her argument, which is basically that there is an unconscious level to creaivity, an implied connection to a larger source of knowledge that we don&#8217;t fully understand, but that most people have had experience with.  Not just in the arts, but in the sciences or any other field which incorporates innovation and invention.</p>

<p>Ask a quantum physicist what they might think of this notion.  And maybe get over your own self-importance just a little bit, you stern demanders of &#8220;accountability&#8221; out there.  You sound like a bunch of dried out prune-faced old Puritans.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/gilbert/comment-page-1#comment-170639</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is a Rufus Wainwright interview where he recounts that, while writing songs, he cannot help thinking:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Oh my god, I&#039;m a genius! I always knew it!!&quot;  Then he calms down and remembers the debt his work owes to Verdi. Although he may not be a compositional genius, I&#039;d still say Wainwright is a brilliant stylist. Probably 99% of successful artists fall under this catagory, and most genii begin life in this way (Mozart ripping off Haydn springs to mind, as does Philip Glass before his time in Paris).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This maybe decribes Gilbert herself; skilled in the genre of self-help literature, but unlikely to feature upon future reading-lists for English undergrads.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a Rufus Wainwright interview where he recounts that, while writing songs, he cannot help thinking:</p>

<p>&#8220;Oh my god, I&#8217;m a genius! I always knew it!!&#8221;  Then he calms down and remembers the debt his work owes to Verdi. Although he may not be a compositional genius, I&#8217;d still say Wainwright is a brilliant stylist. Probably 99% of successful artists fall under this catagory, and most genii begin life in this way (Mozart ripping off Haydn springs to mind, as does Philip Glass before his time in Paris).</p>

<p>This maybe decribes Gilbert herself; skilled in the genre of self-help literature, but unlikely to feature upon future reading-lists for English undergrads.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/gilbert/comment-page-1#comment-170629</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First time poster here, but I felt like finally stepping up to the plate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead of a comment I have a simple question out there for eveyone, possibly related to what Elizabeth Gilbert was talking about. Has anyone ever had one of their characters talk to them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was working on a script for a friend a few years back and my main character was an aging woman named Maude. At on point she&#039;s relating a seemingly simple story from her past (about a group of young boys who fell through the ice twenty years earlier and drowned) and everytime I would get into it, the character would &quot;shut down&quot; on me and her story would stop. After about five or six goes at it, finally I realized that she wouldn&#039;t continue was because her own son was one of the boys that were killed and SHE didn&#039;t want to talk about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This has happened to me only one other time since. Can anyone out there relate to this, or am I just insane?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time poster here, but I felt like finally stepping up to the plate.</p>

<p>Instead of a comment I have a simple question out there for eveyone, possibly related to what Elizabeth Gilbert was talking about. Has anyone ever had one of their characters talk to them?</p>

<p>I was working on a script for a friend a few years back and my main character was an aging woman named Maude. At on point she&#8217;s relating a seemingly simple story from her past (about a group of young boys who fell through the ice twenty years earlier and drowned) and everytime I would get into it, the character would &#8220;shut down&#8221; on me and her story would stop. After about five or six goes at it, finally I realized that she wouldn&#8217;t continue was because her own son was one of the boys that were killed and SHE didn&#8217;t want to talk about it.</p>

<p>This has happened to me only one other time since. Can anyone out there relate to this, or am I just insane?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve always sorta thought JohnA and I would be pals in another life -- I agree with almost all of his likes/dislikes to a scary degree (a weird blend of techie and arty). This is the first thing he&#039;s promoted that I have outright HATED. I just can&#039;t bring myself to watch the video as I have such a mental block concerning Gilbert&#039;s success and book. I read the original Oprah mag excerpt before the book came out, and felt disgusted by her experience, not inspired. She was married and found herself in beautiful expensive house, with a beautiful husband, crying in the bathroom by herself -- so she travels to exotic places all around the world to &quot;find herself&quot; (using -- ? her ex&#039;s money? trust funds?). I admit it could be pure jealousy rearing its head on my part, but I just don&#039;t buy the enlightenment-via-third-world-beauty schtick from a vague, dissatistisfied, rich hausfrau. I especially hate her for sending more of her ilk to Bali, a pure and beautiful place.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because she sells zillions of copies (mostly due to Oprah&#039;s rec), she&#039;s now an expert on writing and inspiration? What about the poor sclub she abandoned back in Connecticut? I&#039;m a liberal white woman and I don&#039;t want to be associated with this broad. I know, I&#039;m totally ranting, and it&#039;s embarrassing -- but I really, really hate her! I smelt the same self-righteous odor on James Frey and if you are inspired by what she says, I guess who am I to judge. But she&#039;s inspiring you all the way to the freaking bank.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always sorta thought JohnA and I would be pals in another life &#8212; I agree with almost all of his likes/dislikes to a scary degree (a weird blend of techie and arty). This is the first thing he&#8217;s promoted that I have outright HATED. I just can&#8217;t bring myself to watch the video as I have such a mental block concerning Gilbert&#8217;s success and book. I read the original Oprah mag excerpt before the book came out, and felt disgusted by her experience, not inspired. She was married and found herself in beautiful expensive house, with a beautiful husband, crying in the bathroom by herself &#8212; so she travels to exotic places all around the world to &#8220;find herself&#8221; (using &#8212; ? her ex&#8217;s money? trust funds?). I admit it could be pure jealousy rearing its head on my part, but I just don&#8217;t buy the enlightenment-via-third-world-beauty schtick from a vague, dissatistisfied, rich hausfrau. I especially hate her for sending more of her ilk to Bali, a pure and beautiful place.</p>

<p>Because she sells zillions of copies (mostly due to Oprah&#8217;s rec), she&#8217;s now an expert on writing and inspiration? What about the poor sclub she abandoned back in Connecticut? I&#8217;m a liberal white woman and I don&#8217;t want to be associated with this broad. I know, I&#8217;m totally ranting, and it&#8217;s embarrassing &#8212; but I really, really hate her! I smelt the same self-righteous odor on James Frey and if you are inspired by what she says, I guess who am I to judge. But she&#8217;s inspiring you all the way to the freaking bank.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Massimo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Massimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very inspiring, nonsense or not. Thanks for the pointer!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very inspiring, nonsense or not. Thanks for the pointer!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Complete nonsense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Greeks and Romans didn&#039;t really believe in daemons or geniuses as the source of inspiration. And she gets the concept of the daemon completely backwards. The job of Socrates&#039; daemon was to prevent him from making mistakes in his reasoning. Socrates (and his enormous intellect) was the creative force, and the daemon served as a supernatural critic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nietzsche spends a great deal of energy in The Birth of Tragedy attacking Socrates for relying too much on abstract reasoning, but that&#039;s a different story.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complete nonsense.</p>

<p>The Greeks and Romans didn&#8217;t really believe in daemons or geniuses as the source of inspiration. And she gets the concept of the daemon completely backwards. The job of Socrates&#8217; daemon was to prevent him from making mistakes in his reasoning. Socrates (and his enormous intellect) was the creative force, and the daemon served as a supernatural critic.</p>

<p>Nietzsche spends a great deal of energy in The Birth of Tragedy attacking Socrates for relying too much on abstract reasoning, but that&#8217;s a different story.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: S.D. Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.D. Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for posting this, John.  It&#039;s phenomenal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve already passed it along to musician friends and other artists...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, John.  It&#8217;s phenomenal.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve already passed it along to musician friends and other artists&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/gilbert/comment-page-1#comment-170532</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really John?  The book is inane mushy-gushy. Miles may have overdone it but his critique is worth a read (at #6). kevin&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really John?  The book is inane mushy-gushy. Miles may have overdone it but his critique is worth a read (at #6). kevin</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tcampbell</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/gilbert/comment-page-1#comment-170530</link>
		<dc:creator>tcampbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess the only problem I have with Ms. Gilbert&#039;s speech is that she measures the quality of her latest book by the commercial success it has had. I&#039;m not anti-commercial success like Mr. Mathis. I don&#039;t believe that a creative work loses its value because of monetary success. It&#039;s nice to be validated. Judging whether or not something (a song, a book, a painting, etc) is &quot;good&quot; is a personal choice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I love Tom Waits&#039; music. I&#039;m also part of the small group of Metallica fans that loves the St. Anger record and the Load record.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the only problem I have with Ms. Gilbert&#8217;s speech is that she measures the quality of her latest book by the commercial success it has had. I&#8217;m not anti-commercial success like Mr. Mathis. I don&#8217;t believe that a creative work loses its value because of monetary success. It&#8217;s nice to be validated. Judging whether or not something (a song, a book, a painting, etc) is &#8220;good&#8221; is a personal choice.</p>

<p>I love Tom Waits&#8217; music. I&#8217;m also part of the small group of Metallica fans that loves the St. Anger record and the Load record.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tcampbell</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a musician, I always liked Keith Richards&#039; explanation of his song writing... He says he finds it difficult to call himself a songwriter. The music he feels already exits out there. He&#039;s simply a conduit.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a musician, I always liked Keith Richards&#8217; explanation of his song writing&#8230; He says he finds it difficult to call himself a songwriter. The music he feels already exits out there. He&#8217;s simply a conduit.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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