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	<title>Comments on: Getting your kid into preschool</title>
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		<title>By: awfulstink</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/getting-your-kid-into-preschool/comment-page-1#comment-169841</link>
		<dc:creator>awfulstink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t have kids so maybe I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m talking about, but whatever happened to daydreaming, playing in the dirt, and discovering your own anatomy? I know this is a whole different topic, but I&#039;m surprised to hear creative types buy so wholly into this trend of over-structuring their children. Or am I misunderstanding?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have kids so maybe I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about, but whatever happened to daydreaming, playing in the dirt, and discovering your own anatomy? I know this is a whole different topic, but I&#8217;m surprised to hear creative types buy so wholly into this trend of over-structuring their children. Or am I misunderstanding?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/getting-your-kid-into-preschool/comment-page-1#comment-169425</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can vouch for different pre schools offering different things. I don&#039;t have kids but my sister lives in Italy and has two kids in pre school. The school does a lot of art and games and the food is really healthy and really good. They also lock the building once the kids are inside, so if you&#039;re late dropping off  little precious, you won&#039;t get in! the plus side is that it makes the place feel more secure (such are the times....) 
My sister was telling me the other day that some of the Moms were moving their kids because they thought the classes were too airy fairy. They do things like make black and white photo copies of the kids faces and get them to re interpret themselves in the style of a Warhol screen print one week and a Picasso the next. Her kids love it and are learning incredible stuff. My sister (who&#039;s an architect) thinks this is AMAZING whereas some other Moms would prefer they do math...different strokes I guess.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can vouch for different pre schools offering different things. I don&#8217;t have kids but my sister lives in Italy and has two kids in pre school. The school does a lot of art and games and the food is really healthy and really good. They also lock the building once the kids are inside, so if you&#8217;re late dropping off  little precious, you won&#8217;t get in! the plus side is that it makes the place feel more secure (such are the times&#8230;.) 
My sister was telling me the other day that some of the Moms were moving their kids because they thought the classes were too airy fairy. They do things like make black and white photo copies of the kids faces and get them to re interpret themselves in the style of a Warhol screen print one week and a Picasso the next. Her kids love it and are learning incredible stuff. My sister (who&#8217;s an architect) thinks this is AMAZING whereas some other Moms would prefer they do math&#8230;different strokes I guess.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Megamoze, we can talk offline about your questions.  I&#039;m at bslee@post.harvard.edu.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megamoze, we can talk offline about your questions.  I&#8217;m at <a href="mailto:bslee@post.harvard.edu">bslee@post.harvard.edu</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Anaxagoras</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Anaxagoras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Aren’t all preschools basically the same? I mean, they’re mostly just singing songs about sharing and gluing things to paper.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No, my friend. No. You just took everything I&#039;ve worked for for the last 20 years and threw it in the garbage.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s okay, I wanted to be a screenwriter anyway, not a preschool teacher.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Aren’t all preschools basically the same? I mean, they’re mostly just singing songs about sharing and gluing things to paper.&#8221;</p>

<p>No, my friend. No. You just took everything I&#8217;ve worked for for the last 20 years and threw it in the garbage.</p>

<p>That&#8217;s okay, I wanted to be a screenwriter anyway, not a preschool teacher.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Megamoze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megamoze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ve just started looking in Burbank for a preschool for our 3 year old.  So far, it looks like it might be a tough job balancing quality and cost.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John, does the Whitney guide cover Burbank as well?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ben, do you mind if I ask which school you chose and/or which ones you think we should avoid?  Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve just started looking in Burbank for a preschool for our 3 year old.  So far, it looks like it might be a tough job balancing quality and cost.</p>

<p>John, does the Whitney guide cover Burbank as well?</p>

<p>Ben, do you mind if I ask which school you chose and/or which ones you think we should avoid?  Thanks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Robert D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I, too, am sure John was exaggerating, but it&#039;s worth mentioning again -- all pre-schools are not the same.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You have to check each school&#039;s stated philosophy, but they probably can be divided into two simplistic categories: teacher-guided or student-guided instruction. Do they (basically) sit the kids in a room with a bunch of options and let the kid decide what he wants to focus on and then they help him with it, or do they give a structured, scheduled learning experience.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rather than decide which one of those is better or worse, the key is to know your child. My three yr old daughter craves structure, idolizes teachers and loves to be the teacher&#039;s pet. She can survive in a Montessori-style free learning situation, but she does much better when following the teacher.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We recently got accepted at our preschool of choice, and there is nothing more stress-relieving that realizing we don&#039;t have to go through this again for another 8 years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Except if the school went to the 12th grade. That would be awesome.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;RED&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am sure John was exaggerating, but it&#8217;s worth mentioning again &#8212; all pre-schools are not the same.</p>

<p>You have to check each school&#8217;s stated philosophy, but they probably can be divided into two simplistic categories: teacher-guided or student-guided instruction. Do they (basically) sit the kids in a room with a bunch of options and let the kid decide what he wants to focus on and then they help him with it, or do they give a structured, scheduled learning experience.</p>

<p>Rather than decide which one of those is better or worse, the key is to know your child. My three yr old daughter craves structure, idolizes teachers and loves to be the teacher&#8217;s pet. She can survive in a Montessori-style free learning situation, but she does much better when following the teacher.</p>

<p>We recently got accepted at our preschool of choice, and there is nothing more stress-relieving that realizing we don&#8217;t have to go through this again for another 8 years.</p>

<p>Except if the school went to the 12th grade. That would be awesome.</p>

<p>RED</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking as a former preschool teacher, John (and the many other commenters) are right – preschools can be dramatically different in philosophy and varying in quality.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately because early childhood education has (up to this point) been regarded in America as a market and not a matter of public service, parents really have to be on their toes about where to put their kids. The majority of preschools and child care centers are utter disasters, so you might want to side-step those.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When looking for preschools, consider your own world view first. How do you view your child? What are your aspirations for him or her, and what are the things you and your family value? Preschools should reflect the broader culture and values of the community – you definitely want yours to reflect who you are.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Visit preschools and ask about their philosophy – ask about their image of young children. Are they instructivist or constructivist (teacher-led or child-driven) in their approach with children? Are children empowered, curious individuals, or vessels to be filled with teacher-chosen knowledge? Is their curriculum predetermined months in advance (out of a box), or does it emerge with the children&#039;s own interests? Do they emphasis process or product? All of these are pretty important continuums that you have to figure out where you, and your desired preschool, fit on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How do teachers and school administrators view the environment – as a calming home-like environment or a regimented school-like one? Are the children&#039;s lives represented in the classroom, is their artwork on display, are children&#039;s conversations and thoughts documented and reflected back to them through the environment? How do they regard and handle transitions during the day?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, how do they view Play? How much free play time are the children given? Are teachers able and trained to sustain, facilitate, and scaffold this play into deeper experiences for children?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Preschools aren&#039;t always about sniffing glue and cutting apple shapes out of construction paper during the Fall time... in fact, the good ones almost never are about that sort of thing. (Especially the glue sniffing.) Ultimately, I think the biggest determinant of the quality of a preschool may just be how much thought the school, teachers, and staff give to the Big Question of &quot;What is this all about?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a former preschool teacher, John (and the many other commenters) are right – preschools can be dramatically different in philosophy and varying in quality.</p>

<p>Unfortunately because early childhood education has (up to this point) been regarded in America as a market and not a matter of public service, parents really have to be on their toes about where to put their kids. The majority of preschools and child care centers are utter disasters, so you might want to side-step those.</p>

<p>When looking for preschools, consider your own world view first. How do you view your child? What are your aspirations for him or her, and what are the things you and your family value? Preschools should reflect the broader culture and values of the community – you definitely want yours to reflect who you are.</p>

<p>Visit preschools and ask about their philosophy – ask about their image of young children. Are they instructivist or constructivist (teacher-led or child-driven) in their approach with children? Are children empowered, curious individuals, or vessels to be filled with teacher-chosen knowledge? Is their curriculum predetermined months in advance (out of a box), or does it emerge with the children&#8217;s own interests? Do they emphasis process or product? All of these are pretty important continuums that you have to figure out where you, and your desired preschool, fit on.</p>

<p>How do teachers and school administrators view the environment – as a calming home-like environment or a regimented school-like one? Are the children&#8217;s lives represented in the classroom, is their artwork on display, are children&#8217;s conversations and thoughts documented and reflected back to them through the environment? How do they regard and handle transitions during the day?</p>

<p>Also, how do they view Play? How much free play time are the children given? Are teachers able and trained to sustain, facilitate, and scaffold this play into deeper experiences for children?</p>

<p>Preschools aren&#8217;t always about sniffing glue and cutting apple shapes out of construction paper during the Fall time&#8230; in fact, the good ones almost never are about that sort of thing. (Especially the glue sniffing.) Ultimately, I think the biggest determinant of the quality of a preschool may just be how much thought the school, teachers, and staff give to the Big Question of &#8220;What is this all about?&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Writegrl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Adding to what bagadonuts said:  not only are some preschools better prepared than others to help you navigate the LA private school world, preschools tend to &quot;feed&quot; into a handful of specific elementary schools, who feel comfortable admitting kids from that preschool because they know the school, know the administrator of the school, know former students and families of the school. If you&#039;re looking at preschools and think you&#039;ll go the private school route, make sure you ask where their students tend to go to elementary school and see how you feel about the answer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also:  distance from home/work is crucial with preschool because you&#039;re going to make the drive twice a day --so if it&#039;s 5 miles away, you&#039;re going to drive 20 miles a day and spend prob over an hour a day in dropoff and pickup, and you&#039;re going to do that most likely within a 3 hour period (unless you&#039;re lucky enough to have a nanny to do it for you).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to what bagadonuts said:  not only are some preschools better prepared than others to help you navigate the LA private school world, preschools tend to &#8220;feed&#8221; into a handful of specific elementary schools, who feel comfortable admitting kids from that preschool because they know the school, know the administrator of the school, know former students and families of the school. If you&#8217;re looking at preschools and think you&#8217;ll go the private school route, make sure you ask where their students tend to go to elementary school and see how you feel about the answer.</p>

<p>Also:  distance from home/work is crucial with preschool because you&#8217;re going to make the drive twice a day &#8211;so if it&#8217;s 5 miles away, you&#8217;re going to drive 20 miles a day and spend prob over an hour a day in dropoff and pickup, and you&#8217;re going to do that most likely within a 3 hour period (unless you&#8217;re lucky enough to have a nanny to do it for you).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bagadonuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>bagadonuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;re considering the possibility of going whole-hog private for K-12 (or if you&#039;re thinking of doing anything funky, like moving for a particular public school, or going magnet), there is another facet to consider when choosing a preschool.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To Illustrate:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ve been at 2 preschools now (they&#039;re both preschool-only).  The first (as described above) was a zoo, and the administrators seemed barely capable of getting through a school day; whenever I picked up my kid the principal looked like she was about to tear off to the nearest tavern, just to calm down.  I asked her opinion of where I should send my kid for elementary school; she might as well have finger-babbled, buh buh buh buh buh.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The place we&#039;re at now:  Huge contrast.  It has very energetic administrators, people who know all the private schools in town and actually personally know the headmasters at a lot of them.  The manager put together an information session on where to send your kid next, and Fiona Whitney (of the Whitney guide) was the speaker.  These are the kind of people can guide you, who can say, &quot;I know your kid pretty well, and I think X, Y, and Z are places you should look at.&quot;  People who can make recommendations for you, who can bring you to the attention of admissions people at the schools you&#039;re applying to next.  People who can help you manage the convoluted process of applying to magnet schools,  recommend not just the most prestigious private schools but also ones you might not have thought of, and who are actually vocal boosters for certain non-magnet public schools.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They helped us pick and apply, and we got into a great pre-K-12 that we&#039;re excited about.  I&#039;m not from LA originally, I didn&#039;t know shit about the schools here; it was great having the help of professional and passionate school administrators.  (Anyone who&#039;s interested give me a shout and I&#039;ll email you the preschool&#039;s info.  In addition to having great people running it, it&#039;s a great little school - fun, warm, laid-back, well-organized, unsnooty.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, my point is:  think about that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re considering the possibility of going whole-hog private for K-12 (or if you&#8217;re thinking of doing anything funky, like moving for a particular public school, or going magnet), there is another facet to consider when choosing a preschool.</p>

<p>To Illustrate:</p>

<p>We&#8217;ve been at 2 preschools now (they&#8217;re both preschool-only).  The first (as described above) was a zoo, and the administrators seemed barely capable of getting through a school day; whenever I picked up my kid the principal looked like she was about to tear off to the nearest tavern, just to calm down.  I asked her opinion of where I should send my kid for elementary school; she might as well have finger-babbled, buh buh buh buh buh.</p>

<p>The place we&#8217;re at now:  Huge contrast.  It has very energetic administrators, people who know all the private schools in town and actually personally know the headmasters at a lot of them.  The manager put together an information session on where to send your kid next, and Fiona Whitney (of the Whitney guide) was the speaker.  These are the kind of people can guide you, who can say, &#8220;I know your kid pretty well, and I think X, Y, and Z are places you should look at.&#8221;  People who can make recommendations for you, who can bring you to the attention of admissions people at the schools you&#8217;re applying to next.  People who can help you manage the convoluted process of applying to magnet schools,  recommend not just the most prestigious private schools but also ones you might not have thought of, and who are actually vocal boosters for certain non-magnet public schools.</p>

<p>They helped us pick and apply, and we got into a great pre-K-12 that we&#8217;re excited about.  I&#8217;m not from LA originally, I didn&#8217;t know shit about the schools here; it was great having the help of professional and passionate school administrators.  (Anyone who&#8217;s interested give me a shout and I&#8217;ll email you the preschool&#8217;s info.  In addition to having great people running it, it&#8217;s a great little school &#8211; fun, warm, laid-back, well-organized, unsnooty.)</p>

<p>So, my point is:  think about that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this. This, and all things baby, are terrifying to me. I&#039;m one of those writers who has been &quot;on the brink&quot; for what feels like ever-- I make enough money to live on writing, but I&#039;m always one step away from comfort and comfort never quite comes. I&#039;m pushing 36, and my far-more-sane wife insisted that I can&#039;t live waiting for tomorrow, and so we had a baby, before the financial ease came. Just this past Christmas eve, actually. So now I&#039;m frantically going in every direction, praying for the project I&#039;m working on to go to the next stage, and terrified of the (rapidly encroaching) time when the baby is more expensive than diapers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Best part about this: My agent, who hasn&#039;t helped my career one iota (I&#039;ve gotten all of my jobs through my own connections), told me that he&#039;ll &quot;work harder&quot; for me now that I&#039;m a father.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dude, where ya been the last 10 years??&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this. This, and all things baby, are terrifying to me. I&#8217;m one of those writers who has been &#8220;on the brink&#8221; for what feels like ever&#8211; I make enough money to live on writing, but I&#8217;m always one step away from comfort and comfort never quite comes. I&#8217;m pushing 36, and my far-more-sane wife insisted that I can&#8217;t live waiting for tomorrow, and so we had a baby, before the financial ease came. Just this past Christmas eve, actually. So now I&#8217;m frantically going in every direction, praying for the project I&#8217;m working on to go to the next stage, and terrified of the (rapidly encroaching) time when the baby is more expensive than diapers.</p>

<p>Best part about this: My agent, who hasn&#8217;t helped my career one iota (I&#8217;ve gotten all of my jobs through my own connections), told me that he&#8217;ll &#8220;work harder&#8221; for me now that I&#8217;m a father.</p>

<p>Dude, where ya been the last 10 years??</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a little less crazy up in Burbank.  We just moved our little one to a new preschool because the teachers at the last one seemed to yell a lot and were insensitive about food allergies.  Love the new school and looking forward to meeting more parents/writers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a little less crazy up in Burbank.  We just moved our little one to a new preschool because the teachers at the last one seemed to yell a lot and were insensitive about food allergies.  Love the new school and looking forward to meeting more parents/writers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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