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		<title>By: mia</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/writers-need-actors/comment-page-1#comment-154436</link>
		<dc:creator>mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find all your comments very interesting...and as an actor in NY what I find more interesting is each time I go for auditions with day players I&#039;m up against a lot of beautiful girls and guys that just seem to be there auditioning as they want to be on their favorite tv programs not because they have any desire to act..thats what gets me...So for actors the desire to be day players has lost its purpose, due to the stigma that is given to it when - you have non actors going for role. Us actors are know longer trying to play smart and small, slowly building creditials - we are shooting way to high and trying for it way to fast...(which don&#039;t get me wrong its great to dream) but when that dream is not fortifide the desire to act becomes one huge regret, when bills don&#039;t get paid - when you are told you need to eat your looking scrawny - and all you can answer is eat what? Im near close to starving.
My attempt to get myself out of this rut - has been to use my skills as a writer, producer and actor - combining my crafts- I&#039;ve created a one woman show called: The Things I Wish My Mother Would Have Told Me...
www.thethingsiwish.com
Where I journey through my mothers breast cancer battle, shamanic healing and more importantly to this blog - the social and professional pressure of succeeding in an industry which is all about survival &quot;ACTING&quot;..somehow no matter the pressure, stress, fear and anxiety it can provoke -I keep on coming back...
Please visit my website at&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find all your comments very interesting&#8230;and as an actor in NY what I find more interesting is each time I go for auditions with day players I&#8217;m up against a lot of beautiful girls and guys that just seem to be there auditioning as they want to be on their favorite tv programs not because they have any desire to act..thats what gets me&#8230;So for actors the desire to be day players has lost its purpose, due to the stigma that is given to it when &#8211; you have non actors going for role. Us actors are know longer trying to play smart and small, slowly building creditials &#8211; we are shooting way to high and trying for it way to fast&#8230;(which don&#8217;t get me wrong its great to dream) but when that dream is not fortifide the desire to act becomes one huge regret, when bills don&#8217;t get paid &#8211; when you are told you need to eat your looking scrawny &#8211; and all you can answer is eat what? Im near close to starving.
My attempt to get myself out of this rut &#8211; has been to use my skills as a writer, producer and actor &#8211; combining my crafts- I&#8217;ve created a one woman show called: The Things I Wish My Mother Would Have Told Me&#8230;
<a href="http://www.thethingsiwish.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thethingsiwish.com</a>
Where I journey through my mothers breast cancer battle, shamanic healing and more importantly to this blog &#8211; the social and professional pressure of succeeding in an industry which is all about survival &#8220;ACTING&#8221;..somehow no matter the pressure, stress, fear and anxiety it can provoke -I keep on coming back&#8230;
Please visit my website at</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Are there ANY role for Asians aside from the exact day player role you mentioned?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can turn on the TV or go see a movie to answer that question.  Of course there are roles - it would be wonderful if there were more, but it&#039;s a bit melodramatic to insist there are none.  Just look at Lost or Heroes.  Even Grey&#039;s Anatomy, which admittedly has a fair number of white main characters, has doctors that are asian, hispanic, and black (and the show is heavy on main female characters as well).  Scrubs is light on asian characters, although two of the main four characters are black and hispanic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For characters that are the individual lead for a TV show?  Sure, not many minorities.  But there are a decent number in ensemble casts - on that front there seems to be some improvement.  There are movies headlined by a minority actor, although it often tends to be Will Smith.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Why is that? Why aren’t you worried about getting Chinese or black actors for the very key parts of your project?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because there are plenty of chinese or black actors qualified for lead roles?  It seems you&#039;ve missed the point of this post - the problem isn&#039;t necessarily the lack of minority actors, it&#039;s the lack of day players, minority and otherwise.  The problem is just more visible with minority actors.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you honestly think there&#039;s any shortage of good minority actors, black, asian, or other?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are there ANY role for Asians aside from the exact day player role you mentioned?&#8221;</p>

<p>You can turn on the TV or go see a movie to answer that question.  Of course there are roles &#8211; it would be wonderful if there were more, but it&#8217;s a bit melodramatic to insist there are none.  Just look at Lost or Heroes.  Even Grey&#8217;s Anatomy, which admittedly has a fair number of white main characters, has doctors that are asian, hispanic, and black (and the show is heavy on main female characters as well).  Scrubs is light on asian characters, although two of the main four characters are black and hispanic.</p>

<p>For characters that are the individual lead for a TV show?  Sure, not many minorities.  But there are a decent number in ensemble casts &#8211; on that front there seems to be some improvement.  There are movies headlined by a minority actor, although it often tends to be Will Smith.</p>

<p>&#8220;Why is that? Why aren’t you worried about getting Chinese or black actors for the very key parts of your project?&#8221;</p>

<p>Because there are plenty of chinese or black actors qualified for lead roles?  It seems you&#8217;ve missed the point of this post &#8211; the problem isn&#8217;t necessarily the lack of minority actors, it&#8217;s the lack of day players, minority and otherwise.  The problem is just more visible with minority actors.</p>

<p>Do you honestly think there&#8217;s any shortage of good minority actors, black, asian, or other?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: AVPlaya</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/writers-need-actors/comment-page-1#comment-149961</link>
		<dc:creator>AVPlaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But I thought Hollywood almost invariably use white people as leads? Aside from a few &quot;acceptable&quot; blacks and latinos, Aren&#039;t whites by default the lead actors? Don&#039;t you writers write in the white leads and then worry about the ethnic &quot;day players&quot;? And Asians? Are there ANY role for Asians aside from the exact day player role you mentioned?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why is that?  Why aren&#039;t you worried about getting Chinese or black actors for the very key parts of your project? Have you ever written a part like that? Or perhaps, it&#039;s all showrunner&#039;s fault that there&#039;s no major MALE Asian American actor out there?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what is the real problem out there? Why are there shows about Hospitals in which there are next to zero Asian doctors? (have you been to a major hospital lately?) Why is that the NYC on screen almost invariably inhabited by a bunch of funny or interesting white people with a few minorities sidekicks?  Are people in your industry so intensely blind about the obvious racism in almost every show on the major TV networks? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know what to say when I read this - I guess I&#039;m just glad I just canceled cable. I&#039;m going back to watching Ueno Juri in &quot;Last Friends&quot; now... now there&#039;s a supremely talented Asian actress who would starve to death if she were born Asian American.  Like writer in Hollywood would give HER a major role. Ha.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I thought Hollywood almost invariably use white people as leads? Aside from a few &#8220;acceptable&#8221; blacks and latinos, Aren&#8217;t whites by default the lead actors? Don&#8217;t you writers write in the white leads and then worry about the ethnic &#8220;day players&#8221;? And Asians? Are there ANY role for Asians aside from the exact day player role you mentioned?</p>

<p>Why is that?  Why aren&#8217;t you worried about getting Chinese or black actors for the very key parts of your project? Have you ever written a part like that? Or perhaps, it&#8217;s all showrunner&#8217;s fault that there&#8217;s no major MALE Asian American actor out there?</p>

<p>So what is the real problem out there? Why are there shows about Hospitals in which there are next to zero Asian doctors? (have you been to a major hospital lately?) Why is that the NYC on screen almost invariably inhabited by a bunch of funny or interesting white people with a few minorities sidekicks?  Are people in your industry so intensely blind about the obvious racism in almost every show on the major TV networks? </p>

<p>I don&#8217;t know what to say when I read this &#8211; I guess I&#8217;m just glad I just canceled cable. I&#8217;m going back to watching Ueno Juri in &#8220;Last Friends&#8221; now&#8230; now there&#8217;s a supremely talented Asian actress who would starve to death if she were born Asian American.  Like writer in Hollywood would give HER a major role. Ha.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jay Levitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Levitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Nick is really onto something with his &quot;Pixar&quot; idea.  Can&#039;t you just hire the white 20-something actor, and then turn them into the Chinese grandmother in post?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Nick is really onto something with his &#8220;Pixar&#8221; idea.  Can&#8217;t you just hire the white 20-something actor, and then turn them into the Chinese grandmother in post?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: kujo76</title>
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		<dc:creator>kujo76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m surprised you didn&#039;t foresee this reply: &quot;Duh.&quot;  I&#039;m surprised that this ever was not a problem.  I assume that the reason finding a threatening chinese woman in her 80s is more difficult these days is because people are actually writing scenes with 80-year-old chinese women in them, and not because the economics of maintaining a 50 or 60 year career as a struggling actor has suddenly become undesirable. Also, despite the onslaught of reality TV lately, with cable networks actually producing dramatic and comedic series these days, there are a lot more productions out there, and the fragmented nature of cable television has caused the productions to take on greater diversity in themes, roles, plots, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised you didn&#8217;t foresee this reply: &#8220;Duh.&#8221;  I&#8217;m surprised that this ever was not a problem.  I assume that the reason finding a threatening chinese woman in her 80s is more difficult these days is because people are actually writing scenes with 80-year-old chinese women in them, and not because the economics of maintaining a 50 or 60 year career as a struggling actor has suddenly become undesirable. Also, despite the onslaught of reality TV lately, with cable networks actually producing dramatic and comedic series these days, there are a lot more productions out there, and the fragmented nature of cable television has caused the productions to take on greater diversity in themes, roles, plots, etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mara casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mara casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s hard to tell the tone in an email John. But the last thing I am saying is that some casting directors should be fired. And I&#039;m glad you think it&#039;s &quot;neat&quot; that I&#039;m available---but I am not. The micro-managing of independent television casting directors and the general fear that runs behind the scenes got the best of me. I have moved on, but am extremely proud of my work as a casting director and still hold dear and true friendships with the talented folks I worked with in front of and behind the camera.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to tell the tone in an email John. But the last thing I am saying is that some casting directors should be fired. And I&#8217;m glad you think it&#8217;s &#8220;neat&#8221; that I&#8217;m available&#8212;but I am not. The micro-managing of independent television casting directors and the general fear that runs behind the scenes got the best of me. I have moved on, but am extremely proud of my work as a casting director and still hold dear and true friendships with the talented folks I worked with in front of and behind the camera.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Genie</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/writers-need-actors/comment-page-1#comment-149692</link>
		<dc:creator>Genie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This web posting was very useful to read over for someone just gettiing started in the feature film industry. I mean, I made short independent productions, but never was aware why there are so few minority and older actors working in Hollywood and featured in films and television. This blog post was very helpful to read to understand just why this problem is there and the whole penny-pinching thing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This web posting was very useful to read over for someone just gettiing started in the feature film industry. I mean, I made short independent productions, but never was aware why there are so few minority and older actors working in Hollywood and featured in films and television. This blog post was very helpful to read to understand just why this problem is there and the whole penny-pinching thing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/writers-need-actors/comment-page-1#comment-149680</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about truly creating acting opportunities for ethnic actors instead of relegating them to day-player roles such as &quot;Old Black Man #2&quot; or &quot;Asian Stripper&quot;? By creating true opportunities for minorities in Holllywood, roles with depth and development, you&#039;d create a vibrant acting ecosystem that would encourage more actors to hang around, even if only to occupy day player roles. You can&#039;t have it both ways -- complaining about the lack of minority day players when the lack of promising roles means there&#039;s no reason for them to stick around!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about truly creating acting opportunities for ethnic actors instead of relegating them to day-player roles such as &#8220;Old Black Man #2&#8243; or &#8220;Asian Stripper&#8221;? By creating true opportunities for minorities in Holllywood, roles with depth and development, you&#8217;d create a vibrant acting ecosystem that would encourage more actors to hang around, even if only to occupy day player roles. You can&#8217;t have it both ways &#8212; complaining about the lack of minority day players when the lack of promising roles means there&#8217;s no reason for them to stick around!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Iâ€™m Canadian and the only time I ever hear â€œabootâ€? is on American television. The stereotype needs to die already.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess you need to meet more canadians then, I&#039;ve heard it plenty in person.  Sure, not ALL canadians say that, but it&#039;s silly to insist that none do.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m Canadian and the only time I ever hear â€œabootâ€? is on American television. The stereotype needs to die already.&#8221;</p>

<p>I guess you need to meet more canadians then, I&#8217;ve heard it plenty in person.  Sure, not ALL canadians say that, but it&#8217;s silly to insist that none do.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is baldly self-serving, but I&#039;ll say it anyway.  The other category of employee affected by this same corner-cutting mentality?  Assistants.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I worked recently for an Emmy-winning writer who announced to the writers&#039; room that when she was an assistant in 1993, she made exactly the same weekly salary I was making at that exact second.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Salary for an assistant = unchanged.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I can tough it out because I&#039;m learning a ton and I think television is a robust wonderland that one day will give me a few hours of my own to play with.  But among 40 some tv-oriented screenwriting MFAs I know/trade emails with, exactly five have been able to make ends meet working as an assistant.  And two of those are at an agency.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The other 35?  A least a couple of them could be future Ken Levines, future Ron Moores, future J.J. Abrams.  But if they don&#039;t get their foot in their door, don&#039;t get to see how a room works, make friends on writing staffs and generally accumulate that juju that makes executive producers give you a shot at a freelance script, they&#039;re all going to end up tutoring @ Kaplan.   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Some cynics may feel tempted to comment something along the lines of &#039;ah, fuck &#039;em if they don&#039;t have the determination to pursue their dreams!  there&#039;s lots of people who would kill for those jobs.&#039; Much with Mr. August&#039;s point on actors, it&#039;s not whether you can fill a day with auditions/interviews.  It&#039;s whether you can find people with the ability to do the job. Having seen a couple shows staff up in the last two years, I&#039;m not convinced that&#039;s always the case.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is baldly self-serving, but I&#8217;ll say it anyway.  The other category of employee affected by this same corner-cutting mentality?  Assistants.</p>

<p>I worked recently for an Emmy-winning writer who announced to the writers&#8217; room that when she was an assistant in 1993, she made exactly the same weekly salary I was making at that exact second.  </p>

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<li><ol><li>Salary for an assistant = unchanged.</li></ol></li>
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<p>I can tough it out because I&#8217;m learning a ton and I think television is a robust wonderland that one day will give me a few hours of my own to play with.  But among 40 some tv-oriented screenwriting MFAs I know/trade emails with, exactly five have been able to make ends meet working as an assistant.  And two of those are at an agency.</p>

<p>The other 35?  A least a couple of them could be future Ken Levines, future Ron Moores, future J.J. Abrams.  But if they don&#8217;t get their foot in their door, don&#8217;t get to see how a room works, make friends on writing staffs and generally accumulate that juju that makes executive producers give you a shot at a freelance script, they&#8217;re all going to end up tutoring @ Kaplan.   </p>

<p>(Some cynics may feel tempted to comment something along the lines of &#8216;ah, fuck &#8216;em if they don&#8217;t have the determination to pursue their dreams!  there&#8217;s lots of people who would kill for those jobs.&#8217; Much with Mr. August&#8217;s point on actors, it&#8217;s not whether you can fill a day with auditions/interviews.  It&#8217;s whether you can find people with the ability to do the job. Having seen a couple shows staff up in the last two years, I&#8217;m not convinced that&#8217;s always the case.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JSJS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uhh, one thing most of the those shows don&#039;t have, including &quot;Greys&quot;, are are any notable Asian-American male characters (if any).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And by that, I mean something other than a Chinese delivery guy or some wise old Asian man espousing &quot;words of wisdom&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh, one thing most of the those shows don&#8217;t have, including &#8220;Greys&#8221;, are are any notable Asian-American male characters (if any).</p>

<p>And by that, I mean something other than a Chinese delivery guy or some wise old Asian man espousing &#8220;words of wisdom&#8221;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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