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		<title>By: carol</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/rewriting-the-rewriter/comment-page-1#comment-164761</link>
		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, BrianMarx -- not to be combative, but the comment on novel writers simply isn&#039;t true. Present day novel writing is not a collaboration. After he buys your book, an editor will give you some big-picture concerns for you to try and smooth over, and you will have a copyeditor to catch typos or awkward sentences, but their own back-breaking scheduals means they barely have time to answer emails, much less hold your hand and look over your shoulder, and help &quot;create&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, BrianMarx &#8212; not to be combative, but the comment on novel writers simply isn&#8217;t true. Present day novel writing is not a collaboration. After he buys your book, an editor will give you some big-picture concerns for you to try and smooth over, and you will have a copyeditor to catch typos or awkward sentences, but their own back-breaking scheduals means they barely have time to answer emails, much less hold your hand and look over your shoulder, and help &#8220;create&#8221;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: BrianMarx</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/rewriting-the-rewriter/comment-page-1#comment-164748</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianMarx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sometimes the studio will buy a script, and hire the spec writer to do the rewrite (as required by the WGA) knowing full well that the original writer does not have the ability to &quot;bring it home.&quot;  Yet there is something in the project that is worthwhile and the executive sees a real movie there... if only... one of the characters was funnier. Or there was a way the second storyline could be made stronger.  Or the last act made more sense. Or many other things that the original writer is just too close to the project to see beyond or is perhaps just not talented enough or has enough experience. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It doesn&#039;t reflect poorly on the spec writer; movie making is complicated and there are many creative people involved.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way, it&#039;s a myth that novel writers work alone.  Many of the best books you&#039;ve ever read were a collaboration between a writer and an editor.  The same goes for many poems (e.g. T.S. Eliot/Ezra Pound), and plays (e.g. Tennessee Williams/Elia Kazan).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes the studio will buy a script, and hire the spec writer to do the rewrite (as required by the WGA) knowing full well that the original writer does not have the ability to &#8220;bring it home.&#8221;  Yet there is something in the project that is worthwhile and the executive sees a real movie there&#8230; if only&#8230; one of the characters was funnier. Or there was a way the second storyline could be made stronger.  Or the last act made more sense. Or many other things that the original writer is just too close to the project to see beyond or is perhaps just not talented enough or has enough experience. </p>

<p>It doesn&#8217;t reflect poorly on the spec writer; movie making is complicated and there are many creative people involved.</p>

<p>By the way, it&#8217;s a myth that novel writers work alone.  Many of the best books you&#8217;ve ever read were a collaboration between a writer and an editor.  The same goes for many poems (e.g. T.S. Eliot/Ezra Pound), and plays (e.g. Tennessee Williams/Elia Kazan).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/rewriting-the-rewriter/comment-page-1#comment-164740</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Certainly it&#039;s easy for studio execs and their apologists to explain why it makes sense to employ several writers to work on the same movie.  Budgets change, logistics change, the original writer might not be available to do all the work, someone else might be faster or more capable of doing the required changes, etc., etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, this doesn&#039;t exactly explain &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt;.  You could easily apply the same principles to every other creative position and argue that, if you&#039;re making &lt;i&gt;Titanic&lt;/i&gt;, James Cameron should only be allowed to shoot the big action scenes and then step aside to let Robert Redford direct all the romance.  (Is there anyone who thinks the film wouldn&#039;t have been better under those circumstances?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So why doesn&#039;t that happen?  There&#039;s no way to answer this without invoking circular reasoning.  The stock response, of course is something along the lines of, &quot;Because the director is the ultimate creative authority on the movie and steers the film at all stages, from pre through post.&quot;  But there&#039;s no good reason that the writer isn&#039;t that person, like s/he is in TV, on stage, or in print.  Imagine if a novel were required to have only a single editor but could utilize dozens of writers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I think the real answer lies somewhere in the early studio era, where the Harry Cohns and Jack Warners beat their writers into a bloody pulp at every turn, then kept them down long enough for Alfred Hitchcock to step in and proclaim that the director was king for good and all.  And nothing&#039;s changed since.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly it&#8217;s easy for studio execs and their apologists to explain why it makes sense to employ several writers to work on the same movie.  Budgets change, logistics change, the original writer might not be available to do all the work, someone else might be faster or more capable of doing the required changes, etc., etc.</p>

<p>Of course, this doesn&#8217;t exactly explain <i>why</i>.  You could easily apply the same principles to every other creative position and argue that, if you&#8217;re making <i>Titanic</i>, James Cameron should only be allowed to shoot the big action scenes and then step aside to let Robert Redford direct all the romance.  (Is there anyone who thinks the film wouldn&#8217;t have been better under those circumstances?)</p>

<p>So why doesn&#8217;t that happen?  There&#8217;s no way to answer this without invoking circular reasoning.  The stock response, of course is something along the lines of, &#8220;Because the director is the ultimate creative authority on the movie and steers the film at all stages, from pre through post.&#8221;  But there&#8217;s no good reason that the writer isn&#8217;t that person, like s/he is in TV, on stage, or in print.  Imagine if a novel were required to have only a single editor but could utilize dozens of writers.</p>

<p>So I think the real answer lies somewhere in the early studio era, where the Harry Cohns and Jack Warners beat their writers into a bloody pulp at every turn, then kept them down long enough for Alfred Hitchcock to step in and proclaim that the director was king for good and all.  And nothing&#8217;s changed since.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SML</title>
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		<dc:creator>SML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Karl,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rewriters ain&#039;t advisors. If you&#039;re lucky they&#039;ll call you, tell you they&#039;re going to cuddle your baby, and then, behind your back, gut it ass first. And they would have every right to because it ain&#039;t, legally, your baby. It&#039;s, contractually, the studios. The studio, in the eyes of the legal world, is the author. In hollywood, even the original voice is an advisor to the studio&#039;s non-human (non-existent) author.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl,</p>

<p>Rewriters ain&#8217;t advisors. If you&#8217;re lucky they&#8217;ll call you, tell you they&#8217;re going to cuddle your baby, and then, behind your back, gut it ass first. And they would have every right to because it ain&#8217;t, legally, your baby. It&#8217;s, contractually, the studios. The studio, in the eyes of the legal world, is the author. In hollywood, even the original voice is an advisor to the studio&#8217;s non-human (non-existent) author.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom Corwine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Corwine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@karl,
Grey&#039;s Anatomy is a different situation, since it is a TV show. Also, Shonda Rimes is the show runner, so she has input on every episode as well as who is hired on the writing staff.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@karl,
Grey&#8217;s Anatomy is a different situation, since it is a TV show. Also, Shonda Rimes is the show runner, so she has input on every episode as well as who is hired on the writing staff.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/rewriting-the-rewriter/comment-page-1#comment-164648</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shonda Rimes wrote GA&#039;s pilot by herself, but in many of the subsequent scripts she was only consultant or something to that extent. Studios tend to have faith in a greater variety of people - putting one script to one writer is probably like giving an entire multimillion dollar movie to one star to monologue through.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All the same, as a screenwriter, I would appreciate fellow writers jumping in, giving me advice, rewriting errors or inconsistencies, but I would like a cap at 5, and surely, they cannot create any new problems and issues.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good link, Dave in DC, that article is very insightful and full of nuggets of truth on the WGA practice.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shonda Rimes wrote GA&#8217;s pilot by herself, but in many of the subsequent scripts she was only consultant or something to that extent. Studios tend to have faith in a greater variety of people &#8211; putting one script to one writer is probably like giving an entire multimillion dollar movie to one star to monologue through.</p>

<p>All the same, as a screenwriter, I would appreciate fellow writers jumping in, giving me advice, rewriting errors or inconsistencies, but I would like a cap at 5, and surely, they cannot create any new problems and issues.</p>

<p>Good link, Dave in DC, that article is very insightful and full of nuggets of truth on the WGA practice.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dave in DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forgot to include a link to the Variety article, which makes the case better than I.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://weblogs.variety.com/thompsononhollywood/2008/10/screenwriting-i.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to include a link to the Variety article, which makes the case better than I.</p>

<p><a href="http://weblogs.variety.com/thompsononhollywood/2008/10/screenwriting-i.html" rel="nofollow">http://weblogs.variety.com/thompsononhollywood/2008/10/screenwriting-i.html</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: RAUL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAUL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear John,
Thanks for all your comments and advice. Regarding what you say (&quot;she may be willing to do a lot of piece work essentially for free because it’s her movie&quot;), I&#039;d like to know, grosso modo, if you usually agree on a number of revisions when you first sign your contract or if each revision means some more money or you have to do it for free. I&#039;m collaborating with the screenwriter&#039;s guild in my country and we&#039;re trying to develop &quot;good ways of work&quot;, and knowing what you guys do there would be very very useful.
Thank you very much.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John,
Thanks for all your comments and advice. Regarding what you say (&#8220;she may be willing to do a lot of piece work essentially for free because it’s her movie&#8221;), I&#8217;d like to know, grosso modo, if you usually agree on a number of revisions when you first sign your contract or if each revision means some more money or you have to do it for free. I&#8217;m collaborating with the screenwriter&#8217;s guild in my country and we&#8217;re trying to develop &#8220;good ways of work&#8221;, and knowing what you guys do there would be very very useful.
Thank you very much.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm, that makes it sound so warm and fuzzy. (Which is not necessarily a bad thing, given La La Land&#039;s reputation.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, that makes it sound so warm and fuzzy. (Which is not necessarily a bad thing, given La La Land&#8217;s reputation.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unlike being a novelist, poet etc making movies is a team effort. The argument of whether the original work was better then the end product will always be there but producers, directors, studio execs etc aren&#039;t making changes to the script that they don&#039;t think will improve it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would imagine in some cases it would be easier for a director to bring in someone they&#039;ve worked with before and who they generally share a similar vision with then trying to collaborate with someone new to the scene.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also believe that movies are generally shot more in the vision of the director then that of the writer and the truest way to get &quot;your&quot; story across would be to both write it and direct it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike being a novelist, poet etc making movies is a team effort. The argument of whether the original work was better then the end product will always be there but producers, directors, studio execs etc aren&#8217;t making changes to the script that they don&#8217;t think will improve it.</p>

<p>I would imagine in some cases it would be easier for a director to bring in someone they&#8217;ve worked with before and who they generally share a similar vision with then trying to collaborate with someone new to the scene.</p>

<p>I also believe that movies are generally shot more in the vision of the director then that of the writer and the truest way to get &#8220;your&#8221; story across would be to both write it and direct it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like Dave in DC&#039;s question.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is it the cost of producing a film that makes everyone nervous and suddenly need five writers for a film that was fine to begin with? I am a published author (one measly book...) and while my editor made suggestions -- which is maybe the equivelent of ONE set of notes from a studio exec -- I can&#039;t imagine that rewrites by other authors would&#039;ve made my book better, and more than likely it would&#039;ve made it worse.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe I&#039;m naive, but when I sit in a theater and see huge plot holes and glaring inconsistencies in characters, I don&#039;t think the studio bought that script -- but that it was turned into that by rewrites that never should&#039;ve happened. When movies get rewritten to appeal to the broadest of possible audiences (four quadrant, is that the term?) there&#039;s no 
&quot;there&quot; in them anymore. I often forget an entire movie I&#039;ve just seen on the way to my car in the parking lot.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Dave in DC&#8217;s question.</p>

<p>Is it the cost of producing a film that makes everyone nervous and suddenly need five writers for a film that was fine to begin with? I am a published author (one measly book&#8230;) and while my editor made suggestions &#8212; which is maybe the equivelent of ONE set of notes from a studio exec &#8212; I can&#8217;t imagine that rewrites by other authors would&#8217;ve made my book better, and more than likely it would&#8217;ve made it worse.</p>

<p>Maybe I&#8217;m naive, but when I sit in a theater and see huge plot holes and glaring inconsistencies in characters, I don&#8217;t think the studio bought that script &#8212; but that it was turned into that by rewrites that never should&#8217;ve happened. When movies get rewritten to appeal to the broadest of possible audiences (four quadrant, is that the term?) there&#8217;s no 
&#8220;there&#8221; in them anymore. I often forget an entire movie I&#8217;ve just seen on the way to my car in the parking lot.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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