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		<title>By: PhillyWriter</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/rethinking-motivation/comment-page-1#comment-124941</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &quot;want&quot; side of the equation makes sense -- it&#039;s important to be able to track a hero&#039;s motivation from one scene to the next, even if said motivation is largely reactive -- but I agree that an understanding a character&#039;s &quot;need&quot;  is b.s., the sort of nickel psychoanalysis that came into fashion in the &#039;50s (both on the stage, and the couch), and is still beloved by execs because it allows them to use their Ivy-league English degree. (In the execs&#039; defense, they usually don&#039;t ask for a deeper understanding of need unless you&#039;ve been  unclear as to your character&#039;s want.) All of that said, it can sometimes be a worthwhile exercise to give some thought to how a character attacks (or avoids) life, which might be defined as a kind of &quot;need,&quot; i.e. &quot;I need order, which is why I became a cop, and also why I bark orders at my five year old twins as if I&#039;m making a traffic stop.&quot;  Or the surgeon who chose the profession because she likes action, not navel-gazing, and needs always to feel in control, which bleeds over (pardon the pun) her private life...&quot; But this kind of speculation about character is of secondary importance to their scene-by-scene M.O....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;want&#8221; side of the equation makes sense &#8212; it&#8217;s important to be able to track a hero&#8217;s motivation from one scene to the next, even if said motivation is largely reactive &#8212; but I agree that an understanding a character&#8217;s &#8220;need&#8221;  is b.s., the sort of nickel psychoanalysis that came into fashion in the &#8217;50s (both on the stage, and the couch), and is still beloved by execs because it allows them to use their Ivy-league English degree. (In the execs&#8217; defense, they usually don&#8217;t ask for a deeper understanding of need unless you&#8217;ve been  unclear as to your character&#8217;s want.) All of that said, it can sometimes be a worthwhile exercise to give some thought to how a character attacks (or avoids) life, which might be defined as a kind of &#8220;need,&#8221; i.e. &#8220;I need order, which is why I became a cop, and also why I bark orders at my five year old twins as if I&#8217;m making a traffic stop.&#8221;  Or the surgeon who chose the profession because she likes action, not navel-gazing, and needs always to feel in control, which bleeds over (pardon the pun) her private life&#8230;&#8221; But this kind of speculation about character is of secondary importance to their scene-by-scene M.O&#8230;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/rethinking-motivation/comment-page-1#comment-124622</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sorry for the mangled english above, but I have a six year old son of a friend of mine badgering me about progressing through a chess game, so my apologies for the more than a few words missing in the last post (as I keep apologizing for rushing to print whenever I post here)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry for the mangled english above, but I have a six year old son of a friend of mine badgering me about progressing through a chess game, so my apologies for the more than a few words missing in the last post (as I keep apologizing for rushing to print whenever I post here)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/rethinking-motivation/comment-page-1#comment-124621</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m coming very late to this so, frankly, I sped past through the latter posts, but even if Nick made a few good points about not all books working as well on film, but that goes for many type of stories, adapted or not. Which is why those how-to books are, in one way or another, like having a car salesman, not a mechanic, fix your vehicle. Which is why the whole motivation soul-searching is dangerous, beyond merely picking out one out zillions of alternatives. I&#039;m interested in the issue of screenwriting books, though, as traps, bait, illusion-inducing, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming very late to this so, frankly, I sped past through the latter posts, but even if Nick made a few good points about not all books working as well on film, but that goes for many type of stories, adapted or not. Which is why those how-to books are, in one way or another, like having a car salesman, not a mechanic, fix your vehicle. Which is why the whole motivation soul-searching is dangerous, beyond merely picking out one out zillions of alternatives. I&#8217;m interested in the issue of screenwriting books, though, as traps, bait, illusion-inducing, etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Andy:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re exactly right -- the larger the variety of sources one learns a trade from, the more likely he/she is to be successful at it.  Screenwriting books are one of those sources... not the only one by any means, and not the best one either, but definitely worth taking a look at, if nothing else because they can help you see the same things in a different light that you already know intuitively but haven&#039;t quite been able to put into words.  For me, I think I shunned the books at the right stage of my development as writer (i.e., when I didn&#039;t know enough for them to be useful), and am now coming back to them at the right time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy:</p>

<p>I think you&#8217;re exactly right &#8212; the larger the variety of sources one learns a trade from, the more likely he/she is to be successful at it.  Screenwriting books are one of those sources&#8230; not the only one by any means, and not the best one either, but definitely worth taking a look at, if nothing else because they can help you see the same things in a different light that you already know intuitively but haven&#8217;t quite been able to put into words.  For me, I think I shunned the books at the right stage of my development as writer (i.e., when I didn&#8217;t know enough for them to be useful), and am now coming back to them at the right time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post. Perfectly verbalized. Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Perfectly verbalized. Thank you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks everyone.  I think thats what i was shooting at from the beginning.. not that they were always the &quot;golden rule&quot; but more of a introduction to screenwriting.  I believe that its important to learn from others who know the trade, but also to learn the concepts behind why they write the way they do and be able to use that to develop my own unique style.  I just wanted to make sure that i wasnt scaring myself for life by continuing to read those books... so far no real damage.. just a minor twitching....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone.  I think thats what i was shooting at from the beginning.. not that they were always the &#8220;golden rule&#8221; but more of a introduction to screenwriting.  I believe that its important to learn from others who know the trade, but also to learn the concepts behind why they write the way they do and be able to use that to develop my own unique style.  I just wanted to make sure that i wasnt scaring myself for life by continuing to read those books&#8230; so far no real damage.. just a minor twitching&#8230;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Writer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nick,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;She was just saying it&#039;s a dick move to be wrongly brutal about a movie on the writer&#039;s blog.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>

<p>She was just saying it&#8217;s a dick move to be wrongly brutal about a movie on the writer&#8217;s blog.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Carrie:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How long have you been a screenwriter, exactly?  I politely explained why the movie didn&#039;t work for me; if anything, the only person I maligned was Roald Dahl (whose books I love, incidentally).  If that kind of constructive criticism is too severe for you, I fear for your well-being as a writer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P.S., the link to my blog is up there.  Make sure you give me your email address so I can let you know when I sell a script and you can diss me.  Looking forward to working with you!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carrie:</p>

<p>How long have you been a screenwriter, exactly?  I politely explained why the movie didn&#8217;t work for me; if anything, the only person I maligned was Roald Dahl (whose books I love, incidentally).  If that kind of constructive criticism is too severe for you, I fear for your well-being as a writer.</p>

<p>P.S., the link to my blog is up there.  Make sure you give me your email address so I can let you know when I sell a script and you can diss me.  Looking forward to working with you!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I loved this post, John.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Anna
As a clinical psychologist turned screenwriter, I can vouch for the notion that we often behave without clear motivation, but that doesn&#039;t mean our behavior isn&#039;t motivated.  In other words, it sometimes takes some problem-solving to determine the function of our behavior--why we&#039;re doing what we&#039;re doing.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I loved about &quot;Go&quot; was exactly this recognition:  the characters were often completely unclear about why they behaved a certain way.  Which is true to life.  And which we don&#039;t often see in movies with clear &quot;wants&quot; and &quot;needs&quot;.  Another great example of this ambiguity was in &quot;Y Tu Mama Tambien&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Nick
As God is my witness, when you&#039;ve written half a dozen or more produced scripts, I will track down your blog and malign at least one.  Dude!  Why would you do that?  Is it just the anonymity?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this post, John.  </p>

<p>@Anna
As a clinical psychologist turned screenwriter, I can vouch for the notion that we often behave without clear motivation, but that doesn&#8217;t mean our behavior isn&#8217;t motivated.  In other words, it sometimes takes some problem-solving to determine the function of our behavior&#8211;why we&#8217;re doing what we&#8217;re doing.  </p>

<p>What I loved about &#8220;Go&#8221; was exactly this recognition:  the characters were often completely unclear about why they behaved a certain way.  Which is true to life.  And which we don&#8217;t often see in movies with clear &#8220;wants&#8221; and &#8220;needs&#8221;.  Another great example of this ambiguity was in &#8220;Y Tu Mama Tambien&#8221;.</p>

<p>@Nick
As God is my witness, when you&#8217;ve written half a dozen or more produced scripts, I will track down your blog and malign at least one.  Dude!  Why would you do that?  Is it just the anonymity?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark Gauthier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gauthier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for mentioning the want vs need.  I&#039;m around 70 pages into my script and &quot;gasp&quot; ran into a blank.  I know how my script is going to end, but I need a few more scenes to get to that.  However, I&#039;m on a deadline and by posing that want vs need, I hope i can get back on track.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;cool,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mark&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,</p>

<p>Thanks for mentioning the want vs need.  I&#8217;m around 70 pages into my script and &#8220;gasp&#8221; ran into a blank.  I know how my script is going to end, but I need a few more scenes to get to that.  However, I&#8217;m on a deadline and by posing that want vs need, I hope i can get back on track.</p>

<p>cool,</p>

<p>Mark</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Andy:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My advice to you is to read a lot of produced screenplays by established writers. There are hundreds of them freely available online to read and download etc. Read the screenplays, compare them to the finished films - especially if the finished film is a masterpiece. That way you&#039;ll get an idea of what translates best to the screen. You might also be interested in the screenplays to bad films - because usually that&#039;s not the fault of the screenwriter, and you&#039;ll learn from those scripts too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The &quot;How To&quot; screenplay textbooks are didactic garbage. They offer a template, and a template will not inspire you to write something amazing - it will inspire you to join the dots and fill the gaps.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just write out all your ideas in any kind of random order, read lots of produced screenplays until you find a style you identify with, then try writing in a similar style. Your style will change as you go along, but it helps if you base it on another writer&#039;s style to start with.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For god&#039;s sake don&#039;t get yourself tangled up in mind-numbing &quot;theories&quot; and &quot;rules&quot; of screenwriting. They only exist in the minds of the small-minded. (No offence to anyone like that here)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Andy:</p>

<p>My advice to you is to read a lot of produced screenplays by established writers. There are hundreds of them freely available online to read and download etc. Read the screenplays, compare them to the finished films &#8211; especially if the finished film is a masterpiece. That way you&#8217;ll get an idea of what translates best to the screen. You might also be interested in the screenplays to bad films &#8211; because usually that&#8217;s not the fault of the screenwriter, and you&#8217;ll learn from those scripts too.</p>

<p>The &#8220;How To&#8221; screenplay textbooks are didactic garbage. They offer a template, and a template will not inspire you to write something amazing &#8211; it will inspire you to join the dots and fill the gaps.</p>

<p>Just write out all your ideas in any kind of random order, read lots of produced screenplays until you find a style you identify with, then try writing in a similar style. Your style will change as you go along, but it helps if you base it on another writer&#8217;s style to start with.</p>

<p>For god&#8217;s sake don&#8217;t get yourself tangled up in mind-numbing &#8220;theories&#8221; and &#8220;rules&#8221; of screenwriting. They only exist in the minds of the small-minded. (No offence to anyone like that here)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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