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		<title>By: John Kennell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kennell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;'I never told Robert Redford to suck it'&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hmm...  what would a child psych, or Shakespeare, or Freud, make of this title? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have you, as yet, not had the opportunity to ask RR to blow you, or, have you not yet admitted your openness to being blown by RR, or, have you not admitted your openness to being blown by your own future past-perfect imaginary self?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just curious,
John &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(or, Marcy Forgey's first cousin; the one who terrified her in childhood with my plastic, red, toothy, glow-in-the-dark, T-rex).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I never told Robert Redford to suck it&#8217;</p>

<p>Hmm&#8230;  what would a child psych, or Shakespeare, or Freud, make of this title? </p>

<p>Have you, as yet, not had the opportunity to ask RR to blow you, or, have you not yet admitted your openness to being blown by RR, or, have you not admitted your openness to being blown by your own future past-perfect imaginary self?</p>

<p>Just curious,
John </p>

<p>(or, Marcy Forgey&#8217;s first cousin; the one who terrified her in childhood with my plastic, red, toothy, glow-in-the-dark, T-rex).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/redford-is-swel/comment-page-1#comment-147890</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just wondering your take on Eric Wilkinson's experience with P2P and his film, The Man From Earth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.rlslog.net/piracy-isnt-that-bad-and-they-know-it/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering your take on Eric Wilkinson&#8217;s experience with P2P and his film, The Man From Earth.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.rlslog.net/piracy-isnt-that-bad-and-they-know-it/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rlslog.net/piracy-isnt-that-bad-and-they-know-it/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tony Comstock</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/redford-is-swel/comment-page-1#comment-147841</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Comstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: Logical Limit&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just because your film made enough money to make another film, doesn't mean you have to. But better to chose not to, then be unable to because you can't scrape together the budget. If all that matters is eye-balls, better to make handicam virals and load them onto YouTube.  I stand by my definition of "success"  ;-) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;RE: Most Movies&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's entirely inaccurate to say that "most movies aren't self-distributed." Most movies" aren't distributed at all. "Most movies" play a handful of unknown festivals (if any) and disappear. "Most movies" that play at the "real" filmfests (Berlin, Cannes, Venice, Toronto, Sundance) aren't distributed at all (self or otherwise.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are film festivals a viable way to promote a film? Sure. Are they the best? Maybe. Are they the only way? Absolutely not!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Logical Limit</p>

<p>Just because your film made enough money to make another film, doesn&#8217;t mean you have to. But better to chose not to, then be unable to because you can&#8217;t scrape together the budget. If all that matters is eye-balls, better to make handicam virals and load them onto YouTube.  I stand by my definition of &#8220;success&#8221;  ;-) </p>

<p>RE: Most Movies</p>

<p>It&#8217;s entirely inaccurate to say that &#8220;most movies aren&#8217;t self-distributed.&#8221; Most movies&#8221; aren&#8217;t distributed at all. &#8220;Most movies&#8221; play a handful of unknown festivals (if any) and disappear. &#8220;Most movies&#8221; that play at the &#8220;real&#8221; filmfests (Berlin, Cannes, Venice, Toronto, Sundance) aren&#8217;t distributed at all (self or otherwise.)</p>

<p>Are film festivals a viable way to promote a film? Sure. Are they the best? Maybe. Are they the only way? Absolutely not!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/redford-is-swel/comment-page-1#comment-147426</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I'm no festival regular, I'd also say they serve a purpose just in offering the chance to meet people in the industry and make friends. And I don't mean the hard-sell, "hey, great-to-meet-you-here's-my-card-come-see-my-film-gotta-run" type of schmoozing crap. But just meeting good folks who, like myself, are starting out and are fun to have a beer or 10 with. This was one of the main things I enjoyed about Austin last year and a reason I might trek all the way from Australia for it again this year. That and the chance to learn a few things from some pretty handy writers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m no festival regular, I&#8217;d also say they serve a purpose just in offering the chance to meet people in the industry and make friends. And I don&#8217;t mean the hard-sell, &#8220;hey, great-to-meet-you-here&#8217;s-my-card-come-see-my-film-gotta-run&#8221; type of schmoozing crap. But just meeting good folks who, like myself, are starting out and are fun to have a beer or 10 with. This was one of the main things I enjoyed about Austin last year and a reason I might trek all the way from Australia for it again this year. That and the chance to learn a few things from some pretty handy writers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/redford-is-swel/comment-page-1#comment-147395</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shawn,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you found the film a chore to watch and felt that it was one of those films that thinks it's smarter than you, perhaps it's just because you're aren't really bright enough to understand it.  I do notice that this is a common complaint among those who I would not tend to think of as all that bright.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides, the fact that films that are terrible (Meet The Spartans, anyone) DO sometimes make so much money doesn't exactly make your theory all that valid.  You don't have to have been around a long time to realize that sometimes, good films don't make money.  John's question is, why?  Of course it's a lot more fun to act the moron and tell him it's because his movie sucked.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn,</p>

<p>If you found the film a chore to watch and felt that it was one of those films that thinks it&#8217;s smarter than you, perhaps it&#8217;s just because you&#8217;re aren&#8217;t really bright enough to understand it.  I do notice that this is a common complaint among those who I would not tend to think of as all that bright.  </p>

<p>Besides, the fact that films that are terrible (Meet The Spartans, anyone) DO sometimes make so much money doesn&#8217;t exactly make your theory all that valid.  You don&#8217;t have to have been around a long time to realize that sometimes, good films don&#8217;t make money.  John&#8217;s question is, why?  Of course it&#8217;s a lot more fun to act the moron and tell him it&#8217;s because his movie sucked.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Shawn:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While a sizable percentage of viewers and critics disagree, fine let's say you're right and The Nines sucks donkeyballs. That's why I included 22 other Sundance classmates in my original example, all of which sold and all of which faced a meat-grinder when they hit theatrical.  Watch all 22, and if you think they all suck, then this is probably not a meaningful discussion for you to be having.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Bill Cunningham:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The majority of the movies I cited were not released by studios' indie labels, and never got that small-wide release.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Tony Comstock:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just to point out that every filmmaker makes his or her last film. So basing a movie's success on whether it allows a filmmaker to make another has a logical limit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And most movies aren't self-distributed, so I stand by my defense of festivals.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shawn:</p>

<p>While a sizable percentage of viewers and critics disagree, fine let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re right and The Nines sucks donkeyballs. That&#8217;s why I included 22 other Sundance classmates in my original example, all of which sold and all of which faced a meat-grinder when they hit theatrical.  Watch all 22, and if you think they all suck, then this is probably not a meaningful discussion for you to be having.</p>

<p>@Bill Cunningham:</p>

<p>The majority of the movies I cited were not released by studios&#8217; indie labels, and never got that small-wide release.</p>

<p>@Tony Comstock:</p>

<p>Just to point out that every filmmaker makes his or her last film. So basing a movie&#8217;s success on whether it allows a filmmaker to make another has a logical limit.</p>

<p>And most movies aren&#8217;t self-distributed, so I stand by my defense of festivals.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its funny how filmmakers get into all these variables of theories as to why their film did not do better, and they never stop to think, "Oh damn....maybe my movie just sucks."  I saw The Nines. It was a chore to watch and not the least bit enjoyable in any way. It was one of those films that feels as if it thinks its smarter than you in an obnoxious quasi-intellectual level.  Terrible terrible film. That is why it failed....be honest John.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny how filmmakers get into all these variables of theories as to why their film did not do better, and they never stop to think, &#8220;Oh damn&#8230;.maybe my movie just sucks.&#8221;  I saw The Nines. It was a chore to watch and not the least bit enjoyable in any way. It was one of those films that feels as if it thinks its smarter than you in an obnoxious quasi-intellectual level.  Terrible terrible film. That is why it failed&#8230;.be honest John.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bill Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow - rambled a bit on that one...sorry.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow - rambled a bit on that one&#8230;sorry.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bill Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi John --&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This whole "Indie film is dead" discussion that the blogosphere has been having is really a lot of hooey...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Indie film (whatever that truly means) has movedon. It is the "Studio Indie" business model that is taking its hits to the groin -- and for the most part deservedly so. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Someone at the studio level convinced investors/ financiers that it was a good idea to mass release niche appeal films. Even as DVD was the primary revenue source for every movie in a studio's release slate, they thought it was a good idea to put a "quirky indie darling" from a festival into 1000 theaters across the USA in order to make money. All they really did was increase the overhead for each film. "Quirky" &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I ran into this several times even on my D2VD side of the business. Filmmakers wanted to "Give" us their film in order to get it into Blockbuster, not realizing that it costs money to release a movie even just on D2DVD. Based on projections there were some movies we would never see a penny on even if we had acquired it for free. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems insane to think that Studios convinced investors to do the same. Thankfully, today's filmmakers have many tools at their disposal to directly connect with film fans outside of festivals (or in conjunction with), magazines and the like. You can even get free marketing information (just not from me). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I've always found is that Festival buzz is good for the filmmakers, but really doesn't add anything to the actual sales of the film. Producers would be better off concentrating on creating a sellable, accessible film.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John &#8211;</p>

<p>This whole &#8220;Indie film is dead&#8221; discussion that the blogosphere has been having is really a lot of hooey&#8230;</p>

<p>Indie film (whatever that truly means) has movedon. It is the &#8220;Studio Indie&#8221; business model that is taking its hits to the groin &#8212; and for the most part deservedly so. </p>

<p>Someone at the studio level convinced investors/ financiers that it was a good idea to mass release niche appeal films. Even as DVD was the primary revenue source for every movie in a studio&#8217;s release slate, they thought it was a good idea to put a &#8220;quirky indie darling&#8221; from a festival into 1000 theaters across the USA in order to make money. All they really did was increase the overhead for each film. &#8220;Quirky&#8221; </p>

<p>I ran into this several times even on my D2VD side of the business. Filmmakers wanted to &#8220;Give&#8221; us their film in order to get it into Blockbuster, not realizing that it costs money to release a movie even just on D2DVD. Based on projections there were some movies we would never see a penny on even if we had acquired it for free. </p>

<p>It seems insane to think that Studios convinced investors to do the same. Thankfully, today&#8217;s filmmakers have many tools at their disposal to directly connect with film fans outside of festivals (or in conjunction with), magazines and the like. You can even get free marketing information (just not from me). </p>

<p>What I&#8217;ve always found is that Festival buzz is good for the filmmakers, but really doesn&#8217;t add anything to the actual sales of the film. Producers would be better off concentrating on creating a sellable, accessible film.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kareem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kareem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article, but I just wanted to say that the title is hilarious.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, but I just wanted to say that the title is hilarious.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Synthian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synthian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Janko-
Hey, Iâ€™m not saying youâ€™re not one of the normal peopleâ€¦  Havenâ€™t the foggiest!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What Iâ€™m saying is: 
At this point I can count the honest mentors I have in Hollywood on one hand.
Every once in a while, someone who has already succeeded turns around does something that is truly cool. 
We can thank them and throw whatever power we have behind themâ€¦ or we can make it so that every time they try and help someone, they get Picasso-f*ck-distorted and spend actual minutes on self defense.
Either way, the argument that goes: â€œBut other people do it!â€? died a long time agoâ€¦ like, with apartheid. - So Iâ€™m not entirely sure that mimicking tabloid headlines qualifies as moral high ground.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Itâ€™s the same reason I shield my eyes when I walk past those massive news stands on Sunset. 
Youâ€™re totally aware of how far-from-context those headlines can beâ€¦ and you know that if you look, theyâ€™ll be about your friends.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Call me a radical, but I think pretty much any guy should be able to answer questions like, â€œHey, howâ€™d that work out for ya?â€? without his f**king lawyer present.
(Or in truer J.A. context --- without HER lawyer present.)
You dig?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janko-
Hey, Iâ€™m not saying youâ€™re not one of the normal peopleâ€¦  Havenâ€™t the foggiest!</p>

<p>What Iâ€™m saying is: 
At this point I can count the honest mentors I have in Hollywood on one hand.
Every once in a while, someone who has already succeeded turns around does something that is truly cool. 
We can thank them and throw whatever power we have behind themâ€¦ or we can make it so that every time they try and help someone, they get Picasso-f*ck-distorted and spend actual minutes on self defense.
Either way, the argument that goes: â€œBut other people do it!â€? died a long time agoâ€¦ like, with apartheid. - So Iâ€™m not entirely sure that mimicking tabloid headlines qualifies as moral high ground.</p>

<p>Itâ€™s the same reason I shield my eyes when I walk past those massive news stands on Sunset. 
Youâ€™re totally aware of how far-from-context those headlines can beâ€¦ and you know that if you look, theyâ€™ll be about your friends.</p>

<p>Call me a radical, but I think pretty much any guy should be able to answer questions like, â€œHey, howâ€™d that work out for ya?â€? without his f**king lawyer present.
(Or in truer J.A. context &#8212; without HER lawyer present.)
You dig?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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