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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/more-on-the-torrents/comment-page-2#comment-120732</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I must admit, that I recently watched The Nines, and yes it was a torrent. My local video rental store only had 2 copies, both of which were not available, and I do not really have the money to run out and buy it right now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, after having watched it and seen what an amazing film it was, I will definitely be purchasing the DVD. I am an aspiring film maker myself, and love watching the extras, especially commentaries. But mostly, I will be paying for it because it&#039;s the right thing to do, and because you deserve to be paid for your work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>

<p>I must admit, that I recently watched The Nines, and yes it was a torrent. My local video rental store only had 2 copies, both of which were not available, and I do not really have the money to run out and buy it right now.</p>

<p>However, after having watched it and seen what an amazing film it was, I will definitely be purchasing the DVD. I am an aspiring film maker myself, and love watching the extras, especially commentaries. But mostly, I will be paying for it because it&#8217;s the right thing to do, and because you deserve to be paid for your work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/more-on-the-torrents/comment-page-2#comment-119718</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I buy stuff I want to rewatch.
This is why I have the Lost dvds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I want to rewatch the nines, or if it&#039;s an instant classic to me, I&#039;ll get the dvd. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy stuff I want to rewatch.
This is why I have the Lost dvds.</p>

<p>If I want to rewatch the nines, or if it&#8217;s an instant classic to me, I&#8217;ll get the dvd. :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Phara</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/more-on-the-torrents/comment-page-2#comment-119681</link>
		<dc:creator>Phara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear John, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I happen to be a big torrenter and uploader actually... not exactly a darling of your industry, and i&#039;m one of those people that saw The Nines online a few weeks ago. In fact I &quot;e-cinned&quot; it with 2-3 other people and I just want you to know that we were all blown away.  The film was brilliant, truly brilliant and though this may be a bit silly, one of the highest compliments I can give to a film is to buy the DVD.  I already had the intention to do so after viewing the film, despite having a high quality sitting on my hard drive, and your posts have made that decision a definite. In fact I was linked to your blog after a friend I viewed it with msned me, and I am so happy he did.  Rest assured, not only will I be buying this DVD, I will be recommending it to friends and family FOR PURCHASE. There will be no burning of this one for anyone as a result of your great words on an issue that has been wrongly addressed for ages.  Once again, thank you for your Brilliant film and your incredible attitude.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Phara&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John, </p>

<p>I happen to be a big torrenter and uploader actually&#8230; not exactly a darling of your industry, and i&#8217;m one of those people that saw The Nines online a few weeks ago. In fact I &#8220;e-cinned&#8221; it with 2-3 other people and I just want you to know that we were all blown away.  The film was brilliant, truly brilliant and though this may be a bit silly, one of the highest compliments I can give to a film is to buy the DVD.  I already had the intention to do so after viewing the film, despite having a high quality sitting on my hard drive, and your posts have made that decision a definite. In fact I was linked to your blog after a friend I viewed it with msned me, and I am so happy he did.  Rest assured, not only will I be buying this DVD, I will be recommending it to friends and family FOR PURCHASE. There will be no burning of this one for anyone as a result of your great words on an issue that has been wrongly addressed for ages.  Once again, thank you for your Brilliant film and your incredible attitude.</p>

<p>Phara</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andre Gayle, London, UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Gayle, London, UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This may have been mentioned before but I&#039;ll take a punt and say that the very limited release and subsequent non-success of the movie (financially speaking in box office terms) means that someone could easily feel quite blase and indifferent about the film finding it&#039;s way onto torrent.  In such a case, the financial &#039;hit&#039; of this scenario would be meaningless, if anything at all.  If the film had had a much wider release, with international distribution, and therefore far more at stake, I doubt anybody could be indifferent to their work being uploaded to a torrent site &#039;just as long as people get to see it&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just because it won&#039;t personally affect you much &#039;this time&#039; doesn&#039;t mean you should be any less committed to the principle of copyright (and the theft thereof), if that is what you truly believe......&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may have been mentioned before but I&#8217;ll take a punt and say that the very limited release and subsequent non-success of the movie (financially speaking in box office terms) means that someone could easily feel quite blase and indifferent about the film finding it&#8217;s way onto torrent.  In such a case, the financial &#8216;hit&#8217; of this scenario would be meaningless, if anything at all.  If the film had had a much wider release, with international distribution, and therefore far more at stake, I doubt anybody could be indifferent to their work being uploaded to a torrent site &#8216;just as long as people get to see it&#8217;.</p>

<p>Just because it won&#8217;t personally affect you much &#8216;this time&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean you should be any less committed to the principle of copyright (and the theft thereof), if that is what you truly believe&#8230;&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pirate</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/more-on-the-torrents/comment-page-2#comment-119188</link>
		<dc:creator>Pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello, I posted a message before commending you on your position regarding torrents. I understand very well that you and the others who make films need to make a living (and it would be in our best interest if that happened too).  I have just finished watching the movie and I must commend you on that, too. It was very original and well done, I particularly liked how all the parts were tied together so well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really hope you do well, as if this particular movie is a good representation of your talent, you certainly have much of it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I posted a message before commending you on your position regarding torrents. I understand very well that you and the others who make films need to make a living (and it would be in our best interest if that happened too).  I have just finished watching the movie and I must commend you on that, too. It was very original and well done, I particularly liked how all the parts were tied together so well.</p>

<p>I really hope you do well, as if this particular movie is a good representation of your talent, you certainly have much of it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: goldfarb</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldfarb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;in a worst case scenario, with print-on-demand DVDs.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;HP is doing exactly that
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-hp24jan24,1,3807114.story?track=rss&amp;ctrack=1&amp;cset=true&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in a worst case scenario, with print-on-demand DVDs.&#8221;</p>

<p>HP is doing exactly that
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-hp24jan24,1,3807114.story?track=rss&amp;ctrack=1&amp;cset=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-hp24jan24,1,3807114.story?track=rss&amp;ctrack=1&amp;cset=true</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ross Pruden</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2008/more-on-the-torrents/comment-page-2#comment-118928</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Pruden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@mike / #54
I did not say mediocre filmsâ€”I said &quot;less-than-great&quot; films, e.g. somewhere between exceptional entertainment such as &lt;em&gt;Battlestar: Galactica&lt;/em&gt; and average entertainment such as &lt;em&gt;Must Like Dogs&lt;/em&gt;; films in this niche we really enjoy watching but don&#039;t care to watch again. Of course I could watch &lt;em&gt;BSG&lt;/em&gt; over and over again, so after I see the whole thing on BT, I&#039;m going to buy a DVD of it. A film like &lt;em&gt;Flags of Our Fathers&lt;/em&gt;, however, which is a great film, is only worth watching once. Thus, if I were to see it via BT, I would enjoy it but am not going to spend money on buying a copy of it. Perhaps that viewing will generate good word of mouth, perhaps not. We know, though, that for this one viewer, it &lt;em&gt;definitely&lt;/em&gt; means lost income for the filmmakers. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Worse, a smaller film like &lt;em&gt;Hostel: Part 2&lt;/em&gt;, which may be quite good, has a slim viewershipâ€”lost income can mean the death of future films like it. This is John August&#039;s primary concern, I think, as &lt;em&gt;The Nines&lt;/em&gt; appeals to a smarter, and thus smaller, crowd.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This brings up another angle to the issueâ€”should we not care if mediocre films are ripped off? After all, if the filmmakers made a mediocre movie, they really don&#039;t deserve to get any income at all, right? I mean, it&#039;s not enough that a mediorcre film gets bad reviews, but now we should steal the light bulbs, too, right? In the real world, if your home doesn&#039;t have an alarm, I can break into it because it&#039;s really your &lt;em&gt;own&lt;/em&gt; fault for not building a strong enough of a protection system? Or because you&#039;re only &lt;em&gt;somewhat&lt;/em&gt; popular in the neighborhood? Obviously, no. Piracy is equal to forcing authors to busk without permission... and while that helps some films, it is lethal to other films. There are already several systems in place to allow viewers to choose which films they should invest their time in, and which are a waste of time. I offer Rotten Tomatoes&#039; review of &lt;em&gt;AVP:R&lt;/em&gt; as evidence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The sad reality is, as much as everyone complains about it, piracy is not going away. The winner of the 21st century&#039;s digital entertainment distribution wars is the person or company who finds a way to make money off of piracy. My bet is on using BT to exclusively release moviesâ€”unbelievably cheap compared to printing a hard copy of a film for a wide theatrical releaseâ€”and embed paid advertising overlays. If a film gets great word of mouth and the advertiser sees their sales increase, DVDs could a wide release in retail stores, but if not, DVDs are only sold online, either via mass production or, in a worst case scenario, with print-on-demand DVDs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike / #54
I did not say mediocre filmsâ€”I said &#8220;less-than-great&#8221; films, e.g. somewhere between exceptional entertainment such as <em>Battlestar: Galactica</em> and average entertainment such as <em>Must Like Dogs</em>; films in this niche we really enjoy watching but don&#8217;t care to watch again. Of course I could watch <em>BSG</em> over and over again, so after I see the whole thing on BT, I&#8217;m going to buy a DVD of it. A film like <em>Flags of Our Fathers</em>, however, which is a great film, is only worth watching once. Thus, if I were to see it via BT, I would enjoy it but am not going to spend money on buying a copy of it. Perhaps that viewing will generate good word of mouth, perhaps not. We know, though, that for this one viewer, it <em>definitely</em> means lost income for the filmmakers. </p>

<p>Worse, a smaller film like <em>Hostel: Part 2</em>, which may be quite good, has a slim viewershipâ€”lost income can mean the death of future films like it. This is John August&#8217;s primary concern, I think, as <em>The Nines</em> appeals to a smarter, and thus smaller, crowd.</p>

<p>This brings up another angle to the issueâ€”should we not care if mediocre films are ripped off? After all, if the filmmakers made a mediocre movie, they really don&#8217;t deserve to get any income at all, right? I mean, it&#8217;s not enough that a mediorcre film gets bad reviews, but now we should steal the light bulbs, too, right? In the real world, if your home doesn&#8217;t have an alarm, I can break into it because it&#8217;s really your <em>own</em> fault for not building a strong enough of a protection system? Or because you&#8217;re only <em>somewhat</em> popular in the neighborhood? Obviously, no. Piracy is equal to forcing authors to busk without permission&#8230; and while that helps some films, it is lethal to other films. There are already several systems in place to allow viewers to choose which films they should invest their time in, and which are a waste of time. I offer Rotten Tomatoes&#8217; review of <em>AVP:R</em> as evidence.</p>

<p>The sad reality is, as much as everyone complains about it, piracy is not going away. The winner of the 21st century&#8217;s digital entertainment distribution wars is the person or company who finds a way to make money off of piracy. My bet is on using BT to exclusively release moviesâ€”unbelievably cheap compared to printing a hard copy of a film for a wide theatrical releaseâ€”and embed paid advertising overlays. If a film gets great word of mouth and the advertiser sees their sales increase, DVDs could a wide release in retail stores, but if not, DVDs are only sold online, either via mass production or, in a worst case scenario, with print-on-demand DVDs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jacob Lefton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Lefton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s an independent game designer named Greg Stolze who is developing a model known as the &quot;Ransom Model.&quot;  It&#039;s similar to the tip jar idea.  Here&#039;s a writeup about it: http://www.danielsolis.com/meatbot/ransom.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an independent game designer named Greg Stolze who is developing a model known as the &#8220;Ransom Model.&#8221;  It&#8217;s similar to the tip jar idea.  Here&#8217;s a writeup about it: <a href="http://www.danielsolis.com/meatbot/ransom.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.danielsolis.com/meatbot/ransom.html</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris [TheZeroYear]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris [TheZeroYear]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If not for Bittorrent, I would not have even been aware your movie existed. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, (When the movie is released here in the US) I will be purchasing a copy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Count that as +1 for BT advertising.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not for Bittorrent, I would not have even been aware your movie existed. </p>

<p>Now, (When the movie is released here in the US) I will be purchasing a copy.</p>

<p>Count that as +1 for BT advertising.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shawn Christenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Christenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lots of gret comments in here, and a great post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been reading yyou blog for about a year and a half.  I&#039;ve been anxiously awaiting an opprtunity to see The Nines.  It never came to Edmonton, Alberta.  I checked about 2 months ago on torrent sites to see if I could download it (I was in a major mood to watch it).  Since it&#039;s so close to DVD release now I&#039;ll just buy it and watch it then... however if it wasn&#039;t I&#039;d download it for sure.  I&#039;m a HUGE movie fan - even working on making them myself one day - and I would download it because I want to see it ASAP.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the re-cutting possibility - that would be one of the best things ever for me.  I&#039;ve discussed with friends that I wish that was available for me to do.  Because I&#039;d love to be able to understand what it&#039;s like cutting a feature together (rather than just the shorts we make).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So if it happens, I will be the first to download it.  I even suggest you make a sing-up page so people can be informed when it&#039;s (if it&#039;s) available.  Heck, I&#039;ll do it for you if you&#039;d like.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you John,
   Shawn&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of gret comments in here, and a great post.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve been reading yyou blog for about a year and a half.  I&#8217;ve been anxiously awaiting an opprtunity to see The Nines.  It never came to Edmonton, Alberta.  I checked about 2 months ago on torrent sites to see if I could download it (I was in a major mood to watch it).  Since it&#8217;s so close to DVD release now I&#8217;ll just buy it and watch it then&#8230; however if it wasn&#8217;t I&#8217;d download it for sure.  I&#8217;m a HUGE movie fan &#8211; even working on making them myself one day &#8211; and I would download it because I want to see it ASAP.</p>

<p>As for the re-cutting possibility &#8211; that would be one of the best things ever for me.  I&#8217;ve discussed with friends that I wish that was available for me to do.  Because I&#8217;d love to be able to understand what it&#8217;s like cutting a feature together (rather than just the shorts we make).</p>

<p>So if it happens, I will be the first to download it.  I even suggest you make a sing-up page so people can be informed when it&#8217;s (if it&#8217;s) available.  Heck, I&#8217;ll do it for you if you&#8217;d like.</p>

<p>Thank you John,
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;What Iâ€™m unclear about is how Bit Torrent can help the less-than-great films.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It probably doesn&#039;t.  But if a film is weak, not much will help it.  Should we really feel bad if mediocre films aren&#039;t financially rewarded?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What Iâ€™m unclear about is how Bit Torrent can help the less-than-great films.&#8221;</p>

<p>It probably doesn&#8217;t.  But if a film is weak, not much will help it.  Should we really feel bad if mediocre films aren&#8217;t financially rewarded?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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