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		<title>By: Manoj</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/silent-evidence/comment-page-1#comment-107134</link>
		<dc:creator>Manoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice read John. I&#039;m reading &quot;The Black Swan&quot; and quite liking the kind of discussions of the empiricist, Interesting guy. I stumbled on to your blog when searching for the phrase used by Taleb (Silent Evidence).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias</a></p>

<p>Nice read John. I&#8217;m reading &#8220;The Black Swan&#8221; and quite liking the kind of discussions of the empiricist, Interesting guy. I stumbled on to your blog when searching for the phrase used by Taleb (Silent Evidence).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sidney/SydrycalWorks</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/silent-evidence/comment-page-1#comment-105544</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidney/SydrycalWorks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So then if 16:4 Proverb reads &quot;And God made evil for the day of the wicked.&quot; That may imaginitively/silently say that much like electric current demands positive and negative for charge then existence needs good and bad to find its impelling force. To manifest is to dare.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then if 16:4 Proverb reads &#8220;And God made evil for the day of the wicked.&#8221; That may imaginitively/silently say that much like electric current demands positive and negative for charge then existence needs good and bad to find its impelling force. To manifest is to dare.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Russel</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/silent-evidence/comment-page-1#comment-97949</link>
		<dc:creator>Russel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,
I like it when you do posts like this, my mind just starts to wonder and think about the philosophy that you&#039;ve put out. The immediate reward is that I sound smart to my friends and family when I tell them about such posts (giving full credit to the blog of course.).  The ever-lasting reward is that you wrote &quot;Paradox of Choice&quot; a year ago or so and I&#039;m still thinking about it in my everyday thought process (and film making process too.).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, where do I fit Silent Evidence into all this? See that&#039;s the great thing about such great posts, they just sit there simmering, and grow into my own personal philosophy. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;caio,   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PS - Anybody that tells a room full of soldiers that its &quot;Tuff, live with the armor you&#039;ve got?&quot; when talking about the lack of proper armor or flak vests that is now a part of today&#039;s war, for one has ball. But B, should have thought talking philosophy in a US News conference was foolish. We are not in the top ten most educated societies for a reason. Maybe if he were the French Secretary of Defense he wouldn&#039;t get as much bad press for using such a term?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,
I like it when you do posts like this, my mind just starts to wonder and think about the philosophy that you&#8217;ve put out. The immediate reward is that I sound smart to my friends and family when I tell them about such posts (giving full credit to the blog of course.).  The ever-lasting reward is that you wrote &#8220;Paradox of Choice&#8221; a year ago or so and I&#8217;m still thinking about it in my everyday thought process (and film making process too.).</p>

<p>Now, where do I fit Silent Evidence into all this? See that&#8217;s the great thing about such great posts, they just sit there simmering, and grow into my own personal philosophy. </p>

<p>caio,   </p>

<p>PS &#8211; Anybody that tells a room full of soldiers that its &#8220;Tuff, live with the armor you&#8217;ve got?&#8221; when talking about the lack of proper armor or flak vests that is now a part of today&#8217;s war, for one has ball. But B, should have thought talking philosophy in a US News conference was foolish. We are not in the top ten most educated societies for a reason. Maybe if he were the French Secretary of Defense he wouldn&#8217;t get as much bad press for using such a term?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John, thanks for being the one to pardon Rumsfeld.  That comment should&#039;ve never gotten past being a joke on Leno or something (because it does, at first hearing, sound Yogi Berra-ish) but intelligent people should never have jumped on that bandwagon.  What he said made perfect sense.  Could he have avoided much confusion by saying &quot;hidden variables&quot; (thanks roc #27)?  Yes, he could have.  Did he have more important things to be worrying about at the time?  Yes.  Yes he did.
The media just wanted to take him down because of the way the war turned out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why, oh why, can&#039;t the media just give us the news?  I know in our modern world it&#039;s unrealistic to expect unbiased reporting from news organizations owned by publicly traded corporations and solely supported by advertisements for other publicly traded corporations... but what can I say... I&#039;m an idealist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry for the rant.
We now return to our regularly scheduled conversation about &quot;silent evidence&quot; and the infamously &quot;stolen&quot; Grey&#039;s Anatomy spec script.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thanks for being the one to pardon Rumsfeld.  That comment should&#8217;ve never gotten past being a joke on Leno or something (because it does, at first hearing, sound Yogi Berra-ish) but intelligent people should never have jumped on that bandwagon.  What he said made perfect sense.  Could he have avoided much confusion by saying &#8220;hidden variables&#8221; (thanks roc #27)?  Yes, he could have.  Did he have more important things to be worrying about at the time?  Yes.  Yes he did.
The media just wanted to take him down because of the way the war turned out.</p>

<p>Why, oh why, can&#8217;t the media just give us the news?  I know in our modern world it&#8217;s unrealistic to expect unbiased reporting from news organizations owned by publicly traded corporations and solely supported by advertisements for other publicly traded corporations&#8230; but what can I say&#8230; I&#8217;m an idealist.</p>

<p>Sorry for the rant.
We now return to our regularly scheduled conversation about &#8220;silent evidence&#8221; and the infamously &#8220;stolen&#8221; Grey&#8217;s Anatomy spec script.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i find it interesting that the proof of fallacy of exclusion isn&#039;t documenting the existence of excluded material, but proving that it&#039;s inclusion would change the outcome.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;sounds like the phenomenon was mis-titled.  it&#039;s not the fallacy of exclusion, it&#039;s the fallacy of non-recognition of salient information.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;there.  that&#039;s much better.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find it interesting that the proof of fallacy of exclusion isn&#8217;t documenting the existence of excluded material, but proving that it&#8217;s inclusion would change the outcome.  </p>

<p>sounds like the phenomenon was mis-titled.  it&#8217;s not the fallacy of exclusion, it&#8217;s the fallacy of non-recognition of salient information.  </p>

<p>there.  that&#8217;s much better.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting. Funny thing, earlier today I was going through Wikipedia and ran across the The Parable of the Broken Window.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable&lt;em&gt;of&lt;/em&gt;the&lt;em&gt;broken&lt;/em&gt;window&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s based on the law of unintended consequences. The parable goes that a boy breaks the window of a shopkeeper. Observers, wanting to look on the bright side of life, posit that by paying the glazer to fix the window, that the community will benefit, because he&#039;ll take the money he was paid and buy some bread, and the baker will buy something else, leading to many in the community benefitting from the breaking of the window. But what if the window hadn&#039;t broken? The shopkeeper might buy a book or replace his old shoes, benefitting the community without the window having been broken.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The same reasoning is argued that war benefits an economy. But it&#039;s a colossal waste of resources that could have been used to build roads, or schools or conduct R&amp;D.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, could you have been looking for the Law of Unintended Consequences?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Funny thing, earlier today I was going through Wikipedia and ran across the The Parable of the Broken Window.&#8221;
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable</a><em>of</em>the<em>broken</em>window</p>

<p>It&#8217;s based on the law of unintended consequences. The parable goes that a boy breaks the window of a shopkeeper. Observers, wanting to look on the bright side of life, posit that by paying the glazer to fix the window, that the community will benefit, because he&#8217;ll take the money he was paid and buy some bread, and the baker will buy something else, leading to many in the community benefitting from the breaking of the window. But what if the window hadn&#8217;t broken? The shopkeeper might buy a book or replace his old shoes, benefitting the community without the window having been broken.</p>

<p>The same reasoning is argued that war benefits an economy. But it&#8217;s a colossal waste of resources that could have been used to build roads, or schools or conduct R&amp;D.</p>

<p>So, could you have been looking for the Law of Unintended Consequences?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Todd Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great little article and it interested me enough to check out the book.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great little article and it interested me enough to check out the book.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In social sciences (I&#039;m in sociology), we use the expression &#039;sampling on the dependent variable&#039; to describe what you&#039;re talking about. That is, take a group of survivors, find out what they did, and then attribute what they have in common to their survival. Or, as in about 9/10 of business books, look at successful companies, attribute to them some quality (they&#039;re innovative! they&#039;re market-makers not market-takers! strong leadership! customer evangelism!), and then argue that this quality leads to success. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The more appropriate approach is to pick the concept, apply it to the range of phenomena, and see if it leads to the outcome in question.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Silent evidence sounds a bit better, but never really hear it used much, and it is actually not that silent..&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In social sciences (I&#8217;m in sociology), we use the expression &#8217;sampling on the dependent variable&#8217; to describe what you&#8217;re talking about. That is, take a group of survivors, find out what they did, and then attribute what they have in common to their survival. Or, as in about 9/10 of business books, look at successful companies, attribute to them some quality (they&#8217;re innovative! they&#8217;re market-makers not market-takers! strong leadership! customer evangelism!), and then argue that this quality leads to success. </p>

<p>The more appropriate approach is to pick the concept, apply it to the range of phenomena, and see if it leads to the outcome in question.</p>

<p>Silent evidence sounds a bit better, but never really hear it used much, and it is actually not that silent..</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: roc</title>
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		<dc:creator>roc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh, and Rumsfeld should&#039;ve stuck with &#039;hidden variables&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and Rumsfeld should&#8217;ve stuck with &#8216;hidden variables&#8217;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think statements like â€œBy 2075, the U.S. population will total 1 billionâ€? are only illustrating a trend. It is a given that trends can change with the addition of new variables, like a massive outbreak or giant meteor hitting the planet. Here, I think the silent evidence has silent evident.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think statements like â€œBy 2075, the U.S. population will total 1 billionâ€? are only illustrating a trend. It is a given that trends can change with the addition of new variables, like a massive outbreak or giant meteor hitting the planet. Here, I think the silent evidence has silent evident.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: akaison</title>
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		<dc:creator>akaison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the way, I see this with certain types African American movies (Eve&#039;s Bayou) or movies like Brokeback Mountain. People would argue those are abberations. There is not a lot of evidence to show there is a market for a lot of these movies. But, it isn&#039;t as simple as that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I see this with certain types African American movies (Eve&#8217;s Bayou) or movies like Brokeback Mountain. People would argue those are abberations. There is not a lot of evidence to show there is a market for a lot of these movies. But, it isn&#8217;t as simple as that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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