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		<title>By: Lane</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/easter-eggs/comment-page-1#comment-117644</link>
		<dc:creator>Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,
How involved were you in the design of the DVD artwork? and for that matter, the poster.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,
How involved were you in the design of the DVD artwork? and for that matter, the poster.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/easter-eggs/comment-page-1#comment-108893</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What is it with those Easter Eggs anyway? I mean, you pay a lot of money for a DVD, but they try to hide something from you which you actually &quot;paid for&quot;! E.G. there&#039;s a great Easter Egg on Depeche Mode&#039;s One Night In Paris Live DVD... but would I know, if I didn&#039;t look up their website? Of course not! But I paid 50 bucks for it and don&#039;t even get to see &quot;everything&quot; I paid for. Okay, this is a bad example as the Easter Egg on this DVD was figured out quickly. But who knows how many DVDs I still got on my shelves with those tiny, little Easter Eggs (and these are probably a lot!).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with those Easter Eggs anyway? I mean, you pay a lot of money for a DVD, but they try to hide something from you which you actually &#8220;paid for&#8221;! E.G. there&#8217;s a great Easter Egg on Depeche Mode&#8217;s One Night In Paris Live DVD&#8230; but would I know, if I didn&#8217;t look up their website? Of course not! But I paid 50 bucks for it and don&#8217;t even get to see &#8220;everything&#8221; I paid for. Okay, this is a bad example as the Easter Egg on this DVD was figured out quickly. But who knows how many DVDs I still got on my shelves with those tiny, little Easter Eggs (and these are probably a lot!).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: christopher</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/easter-eggs/comment-page-1#comment-108821</link>
		<dc:creator>christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i would definitely second the idea that most of us don&#039;t like/care/search for  easter eggs.  and i would be pissed if i found out there was content i&#039;d be interested in behind an easter egg - meaning that i&#039;d feel like i&#039;d paid money to see the extra content, not have to go hunt for it.  to me hunting for eggs is annoying as it&#039;s basically random and utilizes what is already a pretty poor tool (menu navigation via a remote) to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would definitely second the idea that most of us don&#8217;t like/care/search for  easter eggs.  and i would be pissed if i found out there was content i&#8217;d be interested in behind an easter egg &#8211; meaning that i&#8217;d feel like i&#8217;d paid money to see the extra content, not have to go hunt for it.  to me hunting for eggs is annoying as it&#8217;s basically random and utilizes what is already a pretty poor tool (menu navigation via a remote) to begin with.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/easter-eggs/comment-page-1#comment-108713</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am a uni student and so only have a laptop and no DVD player which makes it really annoying when easter eggs have the &#039;certain remote buttons in order&#039; way of accessing. (My player doesn&#039;t have arrow keys, or an enter button).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I definitely think movies like Memento, Donnie Darko and (I imagine from the previews) The Nines warrant egg-hunting missions. It sort of comes with the genre.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a uni student and so only have a laptop and no DVD player which makes it really annoying when easter eggs have the &#8216;certain remote buttons in order&#8217; way of accessing. (My player doesn&#8217;t have arrow keys, or an enter button).</p>

<p>But I definitely think movies like Memento, Donnie Darko and (I imagine from the previews) The Nines warrant egg-hunting missions. It sort of comes with the genre.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mush</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/easter-eggs/comment-page-1#comment-108681</link>
		<dc:creator>mush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Previously you mentioned finding no sites that talk about HOW to locate DVD easter-eggs, and in my previous post I explained the general idea, giving the argument that it is all quite possible by analyzing the virtual code on the DVD (no &quot;endless button pressing&quot; required). Now, I&#039;m by no means a &quot;DVD guru&quot;, but I know a thing or two about this, and it appears as though my previous post wasn&#039;t too clear on the subject. Hence, please allow me to further elucidate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In order to &quot;hack the disc&quot; and find out &quot;how you access&quot; all the content (i.e. cheating), software tools like the visuals editors PgcEdit(free and open-source, cross-platform: http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/ ), DvdReMake Pro (commercial program: http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremakepro ), or the old, discontinued, free IfoEdit ( http://www.videohelp.com/tools/IfoEdit ) can be used. The free PgcEdit, for example, can preview all menus and video content, while allowing you to debug (a simulated navigation session), forward-trace, and even backward-trace all the functions available on a DVD disc. It can also display all visual buttons; give text information on where the invisible buttons are, how to get to them, and what they all do; display in human readable form all the commands associated with the presently viewed title; tell you which remote control commands are required to get to what content (backward-trace); scan all controls that only appear after some point in the title(s); etc... Basically, this allows you to quickly understand how to access (normally, e.g. on a standalone) any and all content on the disc -&gt; how to find easter-eggs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even if measures are to be taken by the DVD author in order to befuddle such fancy editors (and that has happened before), anyone familiar with the internal DVD structure (which is all well known and covered online by many sources) can derive that info manually with only a text editor at hand. So again, it is all crackable, not just the hidden content -- also deriving how to access it. That is, unless you come up with a new content protection system, which ought to take some time to be broken.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the interested, http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/vmcommands.php includes a guide with full coverage on the individual commands in the DVD (virtual) instruction set.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A couple of notes, to wrap things up:
- There have been commercial DVDs with easter-eggs not viewable by any usual method on a standalone machine, and even some with completely unrelated, inaccessible extra video content (bad authors). Those can be ripped to a PC...&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;About not yet found DVD easter eggs, I guess it pretty much depends on the target audience, whether there&#039;ll be enough interested, knowledgeable people to follow through with such a method, or a bunch of dedicated button-pressers... and, as previously noted, usually, only very few people are interested in easter-eggs in the first place, even fewer bother to quest for them.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hope this clarifies some things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again.</p>

<p>Previously you mentioned finding no sites that talk about HOW to locate DVD easter-eggs, and in my previous post I explained the general idea, giving the argument that it is all quite possible by analyzing the virtual code on the DVD (no &#8220;endless button pressing&#8221; required). Now, I&#8217;m by no means a &#8220;DVD guru&#8221;, but I know a thing or two about this, and it appears as though my previous post wasn&#8217;t too clear on the subject. Hence, please allow me to further elucidate.</p>

<p>In order to &#8220;hack the disc&#8221; and find out &#8220;how you access&#8221; all the content (i.e. cheating), software tools like the visuals editors PgcEdit(free and open-source, cross-platform: <a href="http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/" rel="nofollow">http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/</a> ), DvdReMake Pro (commercial program: <a href="http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremakepro" rel="nofollow">http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremakepro</a> ), or the old, discontinued, free IfoEdit ( <a href="http://www.videohelp.com/tools/IfoEdit" rel="nofollow">http://www.videohelp.com/tools/IfoEdit</a> ) can be used. The free PgcEdit, for example, can preview all menus and video content, while allowing you to debug (a simulated navigation session), forward-trace, and even backward-trace all the functions available on a DVD disc. It can also display all visual buttons; give text information on where the invisible buttons are, how to get to them, and what they all do; display in human readable form all the commands associated with the presently viewed title; tell you which remote control commands are required to get to what content (backward-trace); scan all controls that only appear after some point in the title(s); etc&#8230; Basically, this allows you to quickly understand how to access (normally, e.g. on a standalone) any and all content on the disc -&gt; how to find easter-eggs.</p>

<p>Even if measures are to be taken by the DVD author in order to befuddle such fancy editors (and that has happened before), anyone familiar with the internal DVD structure (which is all well known and covered online by many sources) can derive that info manually with only a text editor at hand. So again, it is all crackable, not just the hidden content &#8212; also deriving how to access it. That is, unless you come up with a new content protection system, which ought to take some time to be broken.</p>

<p>For the interested, <a href="http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/vmcommands.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/vmcommands.php</a> includes a guide with full coverage on the individual commands in the DVD (virtual) instruction set.</p>

<p>A couple of notes, to wrap things up:
- There have been commercial DVDs with easter-eggs not viewable by any usual method on a standalone machine, and even some with completely unrelated, inaccessible extra video content (bad authors). Those can be ripped to a PC&#8230;</p>

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<li>About not yet found DVD easter eggs, I guess it pretty much depends on the target audience, whether there&#8217;ll be enough interested, knowledgeable people to follow through with such a method, or a bunch of dedicated button-pressers&#8230; and, as previously noted, usually, only very few people are interested in easter-eggs in the first place, even fewer bother to quest for them.</li>
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<p>Hope this clarifies some things.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John August</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/easter-eggs/comment-page-1#comment-108659</link>
		<dc:creator>John August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for all your suggestions. I suspect we will end up doing some sort of competition, but you&#039;ll have to tell us not only what the hidden content is, but how you access it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your suggestions. I suspect we will end up doing some sort of competition, but you&#8217;ll have to tell us not only what the hidden content is, but how you access it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like that you keep updating us on The Nines, but the big issue is the strike vote.  At least to working workers.  How &#039;bout an indepth post on that issue with your thoughts?  If not here, than on Craig&#039;s blog or on the WA boards.  Thanks in advance.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that you keep updating us on The Nines, but the big issue is the strike vote.  At least to working workers.  How &#8217;bout an indepth post on that issue with your thoughts?  If not here, than on Craig&#8217;s blog or on the WA boards.  Thanks in advance.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mister topps</title>
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		<dc:creator>mister topps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I authored this dvd a while back for the band The Decemberists.  We put all sorts of DVD easter eggs on it, including one that has been yet to be found, and to the best of my knowledge has not posted on any messageboards as of yet.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my case, what I did was hide a series of invisible buttons way way way outside the title safe area, and the navigation of those buttons is such in that unless you type in the correct code with your arrow keys (in my case, I used the Konami code of up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right), could you get to it.  If you pressed a wrong arrow key, it would just bring you back down to the buttons that you could actually see.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On another similar dvd for a different band, we made a virtual maze of menus.  You had to navigate through it just the right way in order to unlock the special content.  On each of the menus, we incorporated conceptual artwork from discarded ideas for album covers, as well as unreleased/demo tracks as menu music.  Every once in a while there&#039;d be a special button that would lead to some behind-the-scenes video.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, I love this type of stuff, especially since it takes hardly any time to do.  The fact that people can cheat, and look up the answers on messageboards... I think that&#039;s okay.  It certainly takes the fun out of it for those people, but at least they get to enjoy all the content on there (which most people will only watch once anyways, maybe twice).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I authored this dvd a while back for the band The Decemberists.  We put all sorts of DVD easter eggs on it, including one that has been yet to be found, and to the best of my knowledge has not posted on any messageboards as of yet.  </p>

<p>In my case, what I did was hide a series of invisible buttons way way way outside the title safe area, and the navigation of those buttons is such in that unless you type in the correct code with your arrow keys (in my case, I used the Konami code of up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right), could you get to it.  If you pressed a wrong arrow key, it would just bring you back down to the buttons that you could actually see.</p>

<p>On another similar dvd for a different band, we made a virtual maze of menus.  You had to navigate through it just the right way in order to unlock the special content.  On each of the menus, we incorporated conceptual artwork from discarded ideas for album covers, as well as unreleased/demo tracks as menu music.  Every once in a while there&#8217;d be a special button that would lead to some behind-the-scenes video.</p>

<p>Personally, I love this type of stuff, especially since it takes hardly any time to do.  The fact that people can cheat, and look up the answers on messageboards&#8230; I think that&#8217;s okay.  It certainly takes the fun out of it for those people, but at least they get to enjoy all the content on there (which most people will only watch once anyways, maybe twice).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mush</title>
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		<dc:creator>mush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very hackable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The existence of software DVD players that support DVD menu navigation on a PC (e.g. WinDVD, PowerDVD, Media Player Classic, VLC, Mplayer and countless others) should be enough to understand that the code running on the DVD can be easily interpreted on a PC. In fact, standalone hardware DVD players interpret the code in a &quot;Virtual Machine&quot;, and the DVD programming interface (byte-)code language is very simple to reverse-engineer. There are many software utilities that do it automatically and even in visual form. Here are a few references:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video 
-- the section about the programming interface and external links
http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/index.html
http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi.html 
-- the command instruction set (a bit technical)
http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi-sum.html 
-- quick summary of the instruction set
http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi-jmp.html 
-- illustrations of simple commands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytecode 
-- general concept of bytecode&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So yeah, a less-than-clever geek could easily map everything out. Ripping all the video content, of course, is also possible, rendering an easter-egg scouring competition ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Easter-eggs, however, are pretty suitable for this type of film, so yeah, go with them, just dump the competition idea.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another approach, like Stephan suggested, would be to take advantage of other technologies, like interactive &quot;puzzle-websites&quot;, perhaps combined with info you would learn from going through DVD easter-eggs or some hidden code/image/whatever-else-you-wanna-mess-our-heads-with in a TV commercial or, obviously, in the film itself. Stuff like this has previously been done with http://donniedarkofilm.com/ , http://requiemforadream.com/ , and a few other films/video-games.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BTW, I love how this is one of the most tech-rich non-tech-centered blogs out there.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very hackable.</p>

<p>The existence of software DVD players that support DVD menu navigation on a PC (e.g. WinDVD, PowerDVD, Media Player Classic, VLC, Mplayer and countless others) should be enough to understand that the code running on the DVD can be easily interpreted on a PC. In fact, standalone hardware DVD players interpret the code in a &#8220;Virtual Machine&#8221;, and the DVD programming interface (byte-)code language is very simple to reverse-engineer. There are many software utilities that do it automatically and even in visual form. Here are a few references:</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video</a> 
&#8211; the section about the programming interface and external links
<a href="http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/index.html</a>
<a href="http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi.html" rel="nofollow">http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi.html</a> 
&#8211; the command instruction set (a bit technical)
<a href="http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi-sum.html" rel="nofollow">http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi-sum.html</a> 
&#8211; quick summary of the instruction set
<a href="http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi-jmp.html" rel="nofollow">http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/vmi-jmp.html</a> 
&#8211; illustrations of simple commands
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytecode" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytecode</a> 
&#8211; general concept of bytecode</p>

<p>So yeah, a less-than-clever geek could easily map everything out. Ripping all the video content, of course, is also possible, rendering an easter-egg scouring competition ridiculous.</p>

<p>Easter-eggs, however, are pretty suitable for this type of film, so yeah, go with them, just dump the competition idea.</p>

<p>Another approach, like Stephan suggested, would be to take advantage of other technologies, like interactive &#8220;puzzle-websites&#8221;, perhaps combined with info you would learn from going through DVD easter-eggs or some hidden code/image/whatever-else-you-wanna-mess-our-heads-with in a TV commercial or, obviously, in the film itself. Stuff like this has previously been done with <a href="http://donniedarkofilm.com/" rel="nofollow">http://donniedarkofilm.com/</a> , <a href="http://requiemforadream.com/" rel="nofollow">http://requiemforadream.com/</a> , and a few other films/video-games.</p>

<p>BTW, I love how this is one of the most tech-rich non-tech-centered blogs out there.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Richard P</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/easter-eggs/comment-page-1#comment-108535</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No one has mentioned it, so I thought I would. There is a site, gamewinners.com (click on DVD on the left channel box) &amp; you can search for just about any movie that has hidden features &amp; it will give detailed instructions on how to access all the easter eggs on the disc. Hope this helps.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has mentioned it, so I thought I would. There is a site, gamewinners.com (click on DVD on the left channel box) &amp; you can search for just about any movie that has hidden features &amp; it will give detailed instructions on how to access all the easter eggs on the disc. Hope this helps.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Despite being pretty tech savvy, i have a devil of a time unlocking easter eggs. Damndest thing. Breadcrumbs are always nice though.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite being pretty tech savvy, i have a devil of a time unlocking easter eggs. Damndest thing. Breadcrumbs are always nice though.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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