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		<title>By: Blarneyman</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/characters-who-are-not-yet-important/comment-page-1#comment-116587</link>
		<dc:creator>Blarneyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi John, I&#039;m a long time reader (who in the passed has had questions answered by you). I just wanted to, on this New Year&#039;s Eve, say thanks for another great year&#039;s reading on your site. It is always interesting and oftentimes very educational. I appreciate the effort it must take to maintain blogging and so I thought I&#039;d be the first on your blog to wish you a Happy New Year. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s to 2008, a year when the strike should no doubt end. Just for that it&#039;s worth celebrating the New Year with a little more spirit, I think.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All the best.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SlÃ¡inte.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John, I&#8217;m a long time reader (who in the passed has had questions answered by you). I just wanted to, on this New Year&#8217;s Eve, say thanks for another great year&#8217;s reading on your site. It is always interesting and oftentimes very educational. I appreciate the effort it must take to maintain blogging and so I thought I&#8217;d be the first on your blog to wish you a Happy New Year. </p>

<p>Here&#8217;s to 2008, a year when the strike should no doubt end. Just for that it&#8217;s worth celebrating the New Year with a little more spirit, I think.</p>

<p>All the best.</p>

<p>SlÃ¡inte.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that sometimes people miss the point, which is: write how ever the hell you want! If a script is gold then it is no matter how you write it! Writing isn&#039;t a precise science or exact art like filing a tax return or baking a pie!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that sometimes people miss the point, which is: write how ever the hell you want! If a script is gold then it is no matter how you write it! Writing isn&#8217;t a precise science or exact art like filing a tax return or baking a pie!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry, I know this is not the place but I can&#039;t find a &quot;contact&quot; link. Is there any chance that you can put the script for &quot;god&quot; online? And maybe even the film itself? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>

<p>Sorry, I know this is not the place but I can&#8217;t find a &#8220;contact&#8221; link. Is there any chance that you can put the script for &#8220;god&#8221; online? And maybe even the film itself? </p>

<p>Thanks!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Scarborough</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/characters-who-are-not-yet-important/comment-page-1#comment-116271</link>
		<dc:creator>David Scarborough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello everyone!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m new to the johnaugust.com comments board, but would like to put up a link to my review of &#039;The Nines&#039; that I wrote for a website:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.hecklerspray.com/movie-review-the-nines/200711388.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some feedback would be great.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone!</p>

<p>I&#8217;m new to the johnaugust.com comments board, but would like to put up a link to my review of &#8216;The Nines&#8217; that I wrote for a website:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.hecklerspray.com/movie-review-the-nines/200711388.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.hecklerspray.com/movie-review-the-nines/200711388.php</a></p>

<p>Some feedback would be great.</p>

<p>Thanks, </p>

<p>Dave</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Erik Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the whole discussion is a little trivial. I&#039;m willing to bet that on the one side we have frustration with the perceived gate keepers of the industry, and on the other we have frustration with miles of shitty scripts and pandering gimmicks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In these examples John is using &quot;we&quot; to convey critical information not readily apparent from mere description. The writer could say &quot;Use medium shots here, lingering on the faces of JOHN and ELAN so that the audience will remember them later in the diner scene&quot;. Which is probably how you&#039;d shoot it, but that&#039;s directing from the page.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think &quot;we&quot; is a very natural way of writing. Not intimate, exactly, more like the writer is the guy in the room. Talking like they might in a pitch session. That can be hamfisted, but it can sell a moment without a lot of stilted language.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If its the way to convey a certain feeling, or is simply the more economical way to write a moment, use &quot;we&quot;. Say everything you need to say, and no more.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole discussion is a little trivial. I&#8217;m willing to bet that on the one side we have frustration with the perceived gate keepers of the industry, and on the other we have frustration with miles of shitty scripts and pandering gimmicks.</p>

<p>In these examples John is using &#8220;we&#8221; to convey critical information not readily apparent from mere description. The writer could say &#8220;Use medium shots here, lingering on the faces of JOHN and ELAN so that the audience will remember them later in the diner scene&#8221;. Which is probably how you&#8217;d shoot it, but that&#8217;s directing from the page.</p>

<p>I think &#8220;we&#8221; is a very natural way of writing. Not intimate, exactly, more like the writer is the guy in the room. Talking like they might in a pitch session. That can be hamfisted, but it can sell a moment without a lot of stilted language.</p>

<p>If its the way to convey a certain feeling, or is simply the more economical way to write a moment, use &#8220;we&#8221;. Say everything you need to say, and no more.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joshua James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bad scripts have dialogue. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does that mean we should all stop using dialogue?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bad scripts have characters in them. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does that mean all scripts with characters in them are bad?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bad scripts have, therein, many uses of the word &quot;the&quot;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does that mean those of us not yet established should avoid the word &quot;the&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good scripts also have words, characters and dialogues, just like the bad ones do. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m hijacking the thread and for that I apologize - after this, I&#039;ll refrain and let others discuss at will. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The point is, someone wrote in to ask John a question about the proper way to write a character description.  John complied, supplied a sample using &quot;we see.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I asked John about it, bearing in mind a post earlier on the subject. A reader / producer responded which not only rewrote John&#039;s sample, but advised us all &quot;Never do it&quot;.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If good scripts use &quot;we see&quot;, ergo &quot;we see&quot; then is not indicative of bad or amateurish writer, by dint of logic, right?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad scripts have dialogue. </p>

<p>Does that mean we should all stop using dialogue?</p>

<p>Bad scripts have characters in them. </p>

<p>Does that mean all scripts with characters in them are bad?</p>

<p>Bad scripts have, therein, many uses of the word &#8220;the&#8221;. </p>

<p>Does that mean those of us not yet established should avoid the word &#8220;the&#8221;?</p>

<p>Good scripts also have words, characters and dialogues, just like the bad ones do. </p>

<p>I&#8217;m hijacking the thread and for that I apologize &#8211; after this, I&#8217;ll refrain and let others discuss at will. </p>

<p>The point is, someone wrote in to ask John a question about the proper way to write a character description.  John complied, supplied a sample using &#8220;we see.&#8221; </p>

<p>I asked John about it, bearing in mind a post earlier on the subject. A reader / producer responded which not only rewrote John&#8217;s sample, but advised us all &#8220;Never do it&#8221;.  </p>

<p>If good scripts use &#8220;we see&#8221;, ergo &#8220;we see&#8221; then is not indicative of bad or amateurish writer, by dint of logic, right?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, thanks for this post.  I had an opening scene with a cricket match, and the main comment I got was that I named too many people too quickly.  Tips and tricks like these should help.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, thanks for this post.  I had an opening scene with a cricket match, and the main comment I got was that I named too many people too quickly.  Tips and tricks like these should help.</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Um.  Josh, I think the point you&#039;re making is that they&#039;re doing it the &#039;right&#039; way.  Which, as far as I can tell, is not too often and being in the middle of a really good script.  The reason readers say not to do it, is because they read thousands of not good scripts full of &#039;we&#039;s and &#039;you&#039;s.  And so that is one of many signs to them that it&#039;s &#039;bad.&#039;  Hopefully, they won&#039;t stop at one instance of it, but they might.  That said, if you&#039;re supremely confident you&#039;re doing it well, do it.  If not, the best suggestion is to not do it, or at least refrain from doing it.  They might be saying something else, but that&#039;s all I take from it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um.  Josh, I think the point you&#8217;re making is that they&#8217;re doing it the &#8216;right&#8217; way.  Which, as far as I can tell, is not too often and being in the middle of a really good script.  The reason readers say not to do it, is because they read thousands of not good scripts full of &#8216;we&#8217;s and &#8216;you&#8217;s.  And so that is one of many signs to them that it&#8217;s &#8216;bad.&#8217;  Hopefully, they won&#8217;t stop at one instance of it, but they might.  That said, if you&#8217;re supremely confident you&#8217;re doing it well, do it.  If not, the best suggestion is to not do it, or at least refrain from doing it.  They might be saying something else, but that&#8217;s all I take from it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joshua James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re missing the point, Lippy . . . John or Shane or whomever is established NOW got there using techniques and using them well . . . correct?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But your basic argument is that once a writer makes enough money, they can be as amateurish as that want . . . I disagree, I don&#039;t think that they are being amateurish, actually.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not arguing that a writer trying to establish themselves should DO something amateurish, not at all . . . I think one should act as professionally as possible (see John&#039;s post on professionalism) . . . my argument is that the use of &quot;we see&quot;, used by John (who used to be a reader, I believe) and others IS NOT amateurish but for some reason has gotten that unfortunate tag . . . and I&#039;ve yet to hear an argument of substance of why it is . . . &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I mentioned earlier, John&#039;s use of it in this very post counter-acts any argument that &quot;we see&quot; is bad writing amateurish itself, as that John is neither a bad writer nor an amateur and the fact he&#039;s established himself to do what he wants doesn&#039;t, in my mind, mean he&#039;s immediately going to stop being professional.  Far from it, in fact, it&#039;s the opposite.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re missing the point, Lippy . . . John or Shane or whomever is established NOW got there using techniques and using them well . . . correct?</p>

<p>But your basic argument is that once a writer makes enough money, they can be as amateurish as that want . . . I disagree, I don&#8217;t think that they are being amateurish, actually.  </p>

<p>I&#8217;m not arguing that a writer trying to establish themselves should DO something amateurish, not at all . . . I think one should act as professionally as possible (see John&#8217;s post on professionalism) . . . my argument is that the use of &#8220;we see&#8221;, used by John (who used to be a reader, I believe) and others IS NOT amateurish but for some reason has gotten that unfortunate tag . . . and I&#8217;ve yet to hear an argument of substance of why it is . . . </p>

<p>As I mentioned earlier, John&#8217;s use of it in this very post counter-acts any argument that &#8220;we see&#8221; is bad writing amateurish itself, as that John is neither a bad writer nor an amateur and the fact he&#8217;s established himself to do what he wants doesn&#8217;t, in my mind, mean he&#8217;s immediately going to stop being professional.  Far from it, in fact, it&#8217;s the opposite.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: LippyOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>LippyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joshua/Anon...I think the point is that an established writer like John August or Shane Black can use first-person we or witty asides, it is a right they have earned by having hit movies and well regarded scripts.  My take is that if something will allow a reader to label you as an amatuer and throw you in the &#039;PASS&#039; pile why do it?  Sure it might not hurt you with many readers, but it will with some...so why do it!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua/Anon&#8230;I think the point is that an established writer like John August or Shane Black can use first-person we or witty asides, it is a right they have earned by having hit movies and well regarded scripts.  My take is that if something will allow a reader to label you as an amatuer and throw you in the &#8216;PASS&#8217; pile why do it?  Sure it might not hurt you with many readers, but it will with some&#8230;so why do it!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pepe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pepe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love how a &quot;reader&quot; is telling John August, the writer, how to properly write. Steve Zaillian doesn&#039;t go to reader blogs and tell you how to read, does he?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how a &#8220;reader&#8221; is telling John August, the writer, how to properly write. Steve Zaillian doesn&#8217;t go to reader blogs and tell you how to read, does he?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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