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		<title>By: Synthian</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/retcon/comment-page-1#comment-116286</link>
		<dc:creator>Synthian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OH... MY... GOD...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This explains soooo much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the last year I&#039;ve been given 5 scripts, each containing the words, &quot;Vampire Slayer&quot; in the title. 2 revolving around a &quot;Hell Mouth&quot;. All of which were &quot;original material&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry for saying it, but... Woa you guys.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH&#8230; MY&#8230; GOD&#8230;</p>

<p>This explains soooo much.</p>

<p>In the last year I&#8217;ve been given 5 scripts, each containing the words, &#8220;Vampire Slayer&#8221; in the title. 2 revolving around a &#8220;Hell Mouth&#8221;. All of which were &#8220;original material&#8221;.</p>

<p>Sorry for saying it, but&#8230; Woa you guys.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/retcon/comment-page-1#comment-29248</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Boy... did you ever open a can of worms.
That&#039;ll teach you to mention Buffy on your site again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Interesting look at the demographic of your readers though!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy&#8230; did you ever open a can of worms.
That&#8217;ll teach you to mention Buffy on your site again.</p>

<p>Interesting look at the demographic of your readers though!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ibiji</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/retcon/comment-page-1#comment-29055</link>
		<dc:creator>ibiji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;W/ apologies to those of you tired of the Buffy focus here: this whole thing was inititated by pointing to Buffy specifically in the matter of retcon/metaretcon.

and to clarify:

1) the issue of the asylum has been debated for years. &lt;strong&gt;No one&lt;/strong&gt; can claim for certain that the &lt;strong&gt;entire&lt;/strong&gt; (6 yrs) asylum thing was just a delusion caused by the venom.
The very DVD commentary itself in that episode, says explicitly that &lt;strong&gt;Joss Whedon himself&lt;/strong&gt; changed the original ending to the one we see, specifically because he did &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; want us to conlcude that it was due to the venom, and he &lt;strong&gt;did&lt;/strong&gt; want to leave it quite possible that the entire show might indeed be the hallucination of a woman who is in a mental institution. To at least leave that possibility open.
 the issue i was refering to as retcon (and referencing Carey&#039;s and DaddyCatALSO&#039;s comments) was about Buffy spending a brief and limited period in an institution &lt;strong&gt;before&lt;/strong&gt; she came to Sunnydale. This is something she surprisingly admits to Willow in the S6 asylum episode, &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; she says this in a scene at home, not just in the scenes in the asylum. Again, this is the admission that might qualify as a retcon.

forgive me for being boring. i just want to get the facts straight

asylum for 6 yrs and entire Buffy/Sunnydale life a delusion? we&#039;ll never know for sure, and this is precisely how Joss Whedon wanted it.

short and limited asylum stint pre-Sunnydale? Possible retcon, but poorly cleared up.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W/ apologies to those of you tired of the Buffy focus here: this whole thing was inititated by pointing to Buffy specifically in the matter of retcon/metaretcon.

and to clarify:

1) the issue of the asylum has been debated for years. <strong>No one</strong> can claim for certain that the <strong>entire</strong> (6 yrs) asylum thing was just a delusion caused by the venom.
The very DVD commentary itself in that episode, says explicitly that <strong>Joss Whedon himself</strong> changed the original ending to the one we see, specifically because he did <strong>not</strong> want us to conlcude that it was due to the venom, and he <strong>did</strong> want to leave it quite possible that the entire show might indeed be the hallucination of a woman who is in a mental institution. To at least leave that possibility open.
 the issue i was refering to as retcon (and referencing Carey&#8217;s and DaddyCatALSO&#8217;s comments) was about Buffy spending a brief and limited period in an institution <strong>before</strong> she came to Sunnydale. This is something she surprisingly admits to Willow in the S6 asylum episode, <strong>and</strong> she says this in a scene at home, not just in the scenes in the asylum. Again, this is the admission that might qualify as a retcon.

forgive me for being boring. i just want to get the facts straight

asylum for 6 yrs and entire Buffy/Sunnydale life a delusion? we&#8217;ll never know for sure, and this is precisely how Joss Whedon wanted it.

short and limited asylum stint pre-Sunnydale? Possible retcon, but poorly cleared up.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: m lazzarini</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/retcon/comment-page-1#comment-29002</link>
		<dc:creator>m lazzarini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 01:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the Buffy convention would not mind... to the question Can one be a comic book fan and still not know much about &#039;retcon&#039;? I guess Mamet&#039;s dictum still applies, about language being a tool for the confusion of the layman. For me, also in the dark about &#039;retcon&#039; until recently, and always thinking I had exceeded the recommended usage of one&#039;s lifetime for comics appreciation, it is such a pleasure to stumble upon admissions that give one&#039;s self esteem a comparatively ephemeral and yet much-needed boost. On the other hand, now I have no excuse but to hurry up with that idea involving retcon...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Buffy convention would not mind&#8230; to the question Can one be a comic book fan and still not know much about &#8216;retcon&#8217;? I guess Mamet&#8217;s dictum still applies, about language being a tool for the confusion of the layman. For me, also in the dark about &#8216;retcon&#8217; until recently, and always thinking I had exceeded the recommended usage of one&#8217;s lifetime for comics appreciation, it is such a pleasure to stumble upon admissions that give one&#8217;s self esteem a comparatively ephemeral and yet much-needed boost. On the other hand, now I have no excuse but to hurry up with that idea involving retcon&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Blair Shedd</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/retcon/comment-page-1#comment-28777</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair Shedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rasselas... Anonymous is correct, and so are the other posters.  In the 6th season episode &quot;Normal Again&quot;, a demon&#039;s venom did make her believe she was in an insane asylum, and that her Slayer life was a delusion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;HOWEVER...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Buffy&#039;s extended history, the events of the the comedy movie are sort of canon (sort of).  After those events (I can&#039;t remember which episode this was recounted) she admitted to her parents what had happened and her Slayer life.  She WAS committed by her parents at that point, and she remained in the institution for a couple of weeks until she saw that convincing anyone that she was telling the truth was hopeless.  So she kept her mouth shut.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wikipedia touches on this -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Summers&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But anyway, sorry this became the Buffy forum, John.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Retcon has been part of my comic book reading for a long time, especially with DC&#039;s history-rewriting events, and Marvel&#039;s sliding timescale (Iron Man Tony Stark meeting friend Jim Rhodes in the 1st Gulf War instead of in Vietnam as was originally written).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rasselas&#8230; Anonymous is correct, and so are the other posters.  In the 6th season episode &#8220;Normal Again&#8221;, a demon&#8217;s venom did make her believe she was in an insane asylum, and that her Slayer life was a delusion.</p>

<p>HOWEVER&#8230;</p>

<p>In Buffy&#8217;s extended history, the events of the the comedy movie are sort of canon (sort of).  After those events (I can&#8217;t remember which episode this was recounted) she admitted to her parents what had happened and her Slayer life.  She WAS committed by her parents at that point, and she remained in the institution for a couple of weeks until she saw that convincing anyone that she was telling the truth was hopeless.  So she kept her mouth shut.</p>

<p>Wikipedia touches on this &#8212; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Summers" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Summers</a></p>

<p>But anyway, sorry this became the Buffy forum, John.</p>

<p>Retcon has been part of my comic book reading for a long time, especially with DC&#8217;s history-rewriting events, and Marvel&#8217;s sliding timescale (Iron Man Tony Stark meeting friend Jim Rhodes in the 1st Gulf War instead of in Vietnam as was originally written).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rasselas</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/retcon/comment-page-1#comment-28755</link>
		<dc:creator>Rasselas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Um... isn&#039;t the asylum sequence in Buffy a hallucination brought on by an injury from a demon, and therefore not retcon at all?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anonymous is correct.  Anyone who thinks that actually happened should go watch the epsiode again.  In fact, all episodes in any Whedon show should be watched a second time.  I&#039;m always amazed at the outright false interpretations of Whedon&#039;s work.  Like the person who thinks they changed Spike&#039;s back story not understanding that we saw the old VAMPIRE Spike&#039;s backstory first and then discovered his human backstory later.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Um&#8230; isn&#8217;t the asylum sequence in Buffy a hallucination brought on by an injury from a demon, and therefore not retcon at all?&#8221;</p>

<p>Anonymous is correct.  Anyone who thinks that actually happened should go watch the epsiode again.  In fact, all episodes in any Whedon show should be watched a second time.  I&#8217;m always amazed at the outright false interpretations of Whedon&#8217;s work.  Like the person who thinks they changed Spike&#8217;s back story not understanding that we saw the old VAMPIRE Spike&#8217;s backstory first and then discovered his human backstory later.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think another retconning of a TV show is &lt;i&gt;Family Matters&lt;/i&gt;. Remember the third sibling..Jamie? She left I believe..in season 1 or 2? And they never explained. It&#039;s like she never existed! But the actress did say she couldn&#039;t be on the show anymore.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another retconning of a TV show is <i>Family Matters</i>. Remember the third sibling..Jamie? She left I believe..in season 1 or 2? And they never explained. It&#8217;s like she never existed! But the actress did say she couldn&#8217;t be on the show anymore.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Oli</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/retcon/comment-page-1#comment-28718</link>
		<dc:creator>Oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can of worms here, huh? I&#039;m pretty sure that there&#039;s an episode where Giles describes pre vamp Spike as a &quot;vicious young murderer&quot; - I think it&#039;s one of the early Season Twoers. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On a related note, isn&#039;t it nice that many John August fans also seem to be Buffy fans?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can of worms here, huh? I&#8217;m pretty sure that there&#8217;s an episode where Giles describes pre vamp Spike as a &#8220;vicious young murderer&#8221; &#8211; I think it&#8217;s one of the early Season Twoers. </p>

<p>On a related note, isn&#8217;t it nice that many John August fans also seem to be Buffy fans?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Graham says: 
November 30th, 2006 at 6:55 pm &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Spike was never a street thug.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) The line was &quot;You were my grandsire.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Although never stated it was implied.  But his actual nature as a gentleman wasn&#039;t a retcon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) The line was &quot;You were my Sire man, my Yoda.&quot;  Not &quot;grandsire&quot;.  Trust me.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Graham says: 
November 30th, 2006 at 6:55 pm </p>

<p>1) Spike was never a street thug.</p>

<p>2) The line was &#8220;You were my grandsire.&#8221;</p>

<p>1) Although never stated it was implied.  But his actual nature as a gentleman wasn&#8217;t a retcon.</p>

<p>2) The line was &#8220;You were my Sire man, my Yoda.&#8221;  Not &#8220;grandsire&#8221;.  Trust me.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Um... isn&#039;t the asylum sequence in Buffy a hallucination brought on by an injury from a demon, and therefore nor retcon at all?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; isn&#8217;t the asylum sequence in Buffy a hallucination brought on by an injury from a demon, and therefore nor retcon at all?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: CokeMachineGlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>CokeMachineGlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok Iâ€™m getting all dorky and technical but...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as the sire thing goes - we eventually learned that Drusilla was Spike&#039;s sire but Angel sired Drusilla.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In &quot;School Hard&quot; (his first appearance) Spike did call Angel his sire. I&#039;m sure at the time the writers meant that Angel was the one who turned Spike, but the line still kind of works in continuity since Spike is still a &quot;descendant&quot; of Angel. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Eventually Spike had a line (sometime in the last season of Angel I believe) where he referred to Angel with the more technically correct term â€œgrandsireâ€?.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are also given an incorrect age for Spike in &quot;School Hard&quot; but that can easily be explained away as a mistake in one of Giles&#039; books.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Iâ€™m getting all dorky and technical but&#8230;</p>

<p>As far as the sire thing goes &#8211; we eventually learned that Drusilla was Spike&#8217;s sire but Angel sired Drusilla.</p>

<p>In &#8220;School Hard&#8221; (his first appearance) Spike did call Angel his sire. I&#8217;m sure at the time the writers meant that Angel was the one who turned Spike, but the line still kind of works in continuity since Spike is still a &#8220;descendant&#8221; of Angel. </p>

<p>Eventually Spike had a line (sometime in the last season of Angel I believe) where he referred to Angel with the more technically correct term â€œgrandsireâ€?.</p>

<p>We are also given an incorrect age for Spike in &#8220;School Hard&#8221; but that can easily be explained away as a mistake in one of Giles&#8217; books.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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