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		<title>By: JWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;high net worth individual&quot; is a term professionals, such as &quot;private wealth managers,&quot; attorneys, CPAs, bankers, et.al. use when talking about clients whom they serve. These clients might be &quot;trust fund babies,&quot;(and there are a lot of them in Boulder,) or they might have earned it, married it or won it in a lottery.  Does a character in a movie use the terms he really would use or the terms that the uninformed screenwriter or viewer uses? Should a hard rock miner use a &quot;double jack&quot; or a &quot;sledge hammer?&quot;
Writing about what you know does not mean it must be one&#039;s own experience, exclusively, but knowing about what you write.  It is not political correctness for a person who uses a wheelchair to &quot;use a wheelchair&quot; rather than being &quot;confined&quot; to one or &quot;bound&quot; by one.  He does not sleep in it. Knowing the terms to &quot;be in character&quot; is the obligation of the writer. 
The days of a stock broker being an &quot;account executive&quot; are days set in the 60s and 70s. A professional athlete or a 15 minute rock star might have a very large income for a few years but if she spends it as fast as it comes in, she is not a high net worth individual and needs basic budget advice, not a private wealth manager.  F. Scott Fitzgerald didn&#039;t really have it right.  Most rich people are not like you and me with more money.  Variety sometimes gets it right.  Especially if the writer is a trust fund baby following her bliss.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;high net worth individual&#8221; is a term professionals, such as &#8220;private wealth managers,&#8221; attorneys, CPAs, bankers, et.al. use when talking about clients whom they serve. These clients might be &#8220;trust fund babies,&#8221;(and there are a lot of them in Boulder,) or they might have earned it, married it or won it in a lottery.  Does a character in a movie use the terms he really would use or the terms that the uninformed screenwriter or viewer uses? Should a hard rock miner use a &#8220;double jack&#8221; or a &#8220;sledge hammer?&#8221;
Writing about what you know does not mean it must be one&#8217;s own experience, exclusively, but knowing about what you write.  It is not political correctness for a person who uses a wheelchair to &#8220;use a wheelchair&#8221; rather than being &#8220;confined&#8221; to one or &#8220;bound&#8221; by one.  He does not sleep in it. Knowing the terms to &#8220;be in character&#8221; is the obligation of the writer. 
The days of a stock broker being an &#8220;account executive&#8221; are days set in the 60s and 70s. A professional athlete or a 15 minute rock star might have a very large income for a few years but if she spends it as fast as it comes in, she is not a high net worth individual and needs basic budget advice, not a private wealth manager.  F. Scott Fitzgerald didn&#8217;t really have it right.  Most rich people are not like you and me with more money.  Variety sometimes gets it right.  Especially if the writer is a trust fund baby following her bliss.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/high-net-worth-individuals/comment-page-1#comment-25689</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot; ... I had to look this crap up to find out what the hell a skein was, and there is no way that word fits.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Skein (coil of yarn) is really apt, I think. TV shows tell yarns but ones that just go on and on and on. Personally I kind of like rustic-type neologisms like this. They certainly beat jargony word-contructions, like &#039;high net worth individuals&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know if Variety came up with &#039;helming&#039;, with its nautical connotations. If you&#039;ve got a crew someone&#039;s got to be at the helm. &#039;Thesp&#039; is another word Variety may or may not have popularized. I don&#039;t know how actors feel about being called thesps, to me it sounds a tad condecending (but in a good-natured way). It&#039;s like implying that actors take themselves and their Art much too seriously.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Skipping the definite article certainly makes for prose that&#039;s more -- I don&#039;t know what to call it -- direct or agressive. But I like the simplicity. Who needs detached definite articles anyway?  English may just evolve in this directon over the next 100 years or so. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally I rather like the Variety style, I even find it funny. But it&#039;s a bit like Gaudi. Gaudi&#039;s buildings are really spectacular but fortunately there are relatively few of them in existence. It&#039;d truly be awful if they were all over the place.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; I had to look this crap up to find out what the hell a skein was, and there is no way that word fits.&#8221;</p>

<p>Skein (coil of yarn) is really apt, I think. TV shows tell yarns but ones that just go on and on and on. Personally I kind of like rustic-type neologisms like this. They certainly beat jargony word-contructions, like &#8216;high net worth individuals&#8217;.</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t know if Variety came up with &#8216;helming&#8217;, with its nautical connotations. If you&#8217;ve got a crew someone&#8217;s got to be at the helm. &#8216;Thesp&#8217; is another word Variety may or may not have popularized. I don&#8217;t know how actors feel about being called thesps, to me it sounds a tad condecending (but in a good-natured way). It&#8217;s like implying that actors take themselves and their Art much too seriously.</p>

<p>Skipping the definite article certainly makes for prose that&#8217;s more &#8212; I don&#8217;t know what to call it &#8212; direct or agressive. But I like the simplicity. Who needs detached definite articles anyway?  English may just evolve in this directon over the next 100 years or so. </p>

<p>Personally I rather like the Variety style, I even find it funny. But it&#8217;s a bit like Gaudi. Gaudi&#8217;s buildings are really spectacular but fortunately there are relatively few of them in existence. It&#8217;d truly be awful if they were all over the place.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John August</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/high-net-worth-individuals/comment-page-1#comment-25674</link>
		<dc:creator>John August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My friend Chuck writes:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;From a pure business perspective I think this term came around
because rich just isn&#039;t specific enough.  High Net Worth is generally
accepted to mean individuals with assets of more than $1 million
dollars.  Most financial institutions would also have a market
segment for Ultra-High Net Worth Individuals, this is usually people
with asset greater than $30 million.  It&#039;s not unlike most industries
that divide their client base up into small market, middle market,
etc.  My thought is that the reason we use the euphemism isn&#039;t
because rich people don&#039;t want to be called rich, but because all
people want to be thought of as rich.  What bank in their right minds
would tell a client depositing their life savings with them that they
were anything but rich?

PS - We call the Ultra-High Net Worth segment &quot;Wealth.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend Chuck writes:</p>

<blockquote>From a pure business perspective I think this term came around
because rich just isn&#8217;t specific enough.  High Net Worth is generally
accepted to mean individuals with assets of more than $1 million
dollars.  Most financial institutions would also have a market
segment for Ultra-High Net Worth Individuals, this is usually people
with asset greater than $30 million.  It&#8217;s not unlike most industries
that divide their client base up into small market, middle market,
etc.  My thought is that the reason we use the euphemism isn&#8217;t
because rich people don&#8217;t want to be called rich, but because all
people want to be thought of as rich.  What bank in their right minds
would tell a client depositing their life savings with them that they
were anything but rich?

PS &#8211; We call the Ultra-High Net Worth segment &#8220;Wealth.&#8221;</blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, Jemaleddin, $250,000 to $500,000 can certainly be middle class. If ONE person makes that much money a year, and lives by themselves and are single, they are rich. If that person is married with two teenagers, has to save for those two teenagers&#039; college educations, as well as support his stay-at-home wife while she looks after the kids and household, while also saving for retirement, that money can go away REAL fast. Even if you live in a $250,000 house and drive an Accord, the money would get stretched thin.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Jemaleddin, $250,000 to $500,000 can certainly be middle class. If ONE person makes that much money a year, and lives by themselves and are single, they are rich. If that person is married with two teenagers, has to save for those two teenagers&#8217; college educations, as well as support his stay-at-home wife while she looks after the kids and household, while also saving for retirement, that money can go away REAL fast. Even if you live in a $250,000 house and drive an Accord, the money would get stretched thin.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2006/high-net-worth-individuals/comment-page-1#comment-25668</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like Chris Rock&#039;s description of the differences between &quot;rich&quot; and &quot;wealthy&quot;. Rich people have a lot of money to spend. Wealthy people OWN a lot of valuable things. High net worth is a term used to describe the latter. Bill Gates? He has millions of dollars in the bank, but he&#039;s WORTH -billions- of dollars in stock. The problem is he cannot sell ALL of that stock at once, because there wouldn&#039;t be enough people at one time wanting to buy it, and it would harm the stock&#039;s value, so he can only sell stock bit by bit. Since we generally say &quot;rich&quot; meaning the amount of money a person has to spend, the term doesn&#039;t really apply, because Bill Gates can&#039;t spend billions of dollars at once, but he&#039;s WORTH billions of dollars, as long as the value of Microsoft as a company remains steady. So he has an incredibly high &quot;net worth&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know, it&#039;s way too technical. I always call movie stars, music stars, and athletes &quot;rich&quot;, while I call CEOs and savvy businessmen &quot;wealthy&quot;. Rich people spend all of their money on stuff that loses value. Wealthy people spend a lot of their money on things that make them even MORE money.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Chris Rock&#8217;s description of the differences between &#8220;rich&#8221; and &#8220;wealthy&#8221;. Rich people have a lot of money to spend. Wealthy people OWN a lot of valuable things. High net worth is a term used to describe the latter. Bill Gates? He has millions of dollars in the bank, but he&#8217;s WORTH -billions- of dollars in stock. The problem is he cannot sell ALL of that stock at once, because there wouldn&#8217;t be enough people at one time wanting to buy it, and it would harm the stock&#8217;s value, so he can only sell stock bit by bit. Since we generally say &#8220;rich&#8221; meaning the amount of money a person has to spend, the term doesn&#8217;t really apply, because Bill Gates can&#8217;t spend billions of dollars at once, but he&#8217;s WORTH billions of dollars, as long as the value of Microsoft as a company remains steady. So he has an incredibly high &#8220;net worth&#8221;.</p>

<p>I know, it&#8217;s way too technical. I always call movie stars, music stars, and athletes &#8220;rich&#8221;, while I call CEOs and savvy businessmen &#8220;wealthy&#8221;. Rich people spend all of their money on stuff that loses value. Wealthy people spend a lot of their money on things that make them even MORE money.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think magazine writers prefer &quot;high net worth individuals such as&quot; over &quot;rich people like&quot; largely because they get paid on each word.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think magazine writers prefer &#8220;high net worth individuals such as&#8221; over &#8220;rich people like&#8221; largely because they get paid on each word.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul William Tenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul William Tenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apologies for digressing, but there are a number of things that annoy me about Variety, and they have the unique ability to find something new to annoy me with every couple of weeks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The first thing that really bit me was their seeming dislike for the word &quot;the&quot; in certain places.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;After a fierce bidding war with Fox, (the?) Alphabet has won the rights to the 20th Century Fox TV-produced laffer by stepping up with a six-episode commitment.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;...Joel Surnow, Bob Cochran and Howard Gordon. (the?) Project is targeted for a fall 2007 debut.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Tentatively dubbed &quot;The Call,&quot; (the?) half-hour is a cross between &quot;Emergency!&quot; and &quot;MASH,&quot; with a dose of &quot;Seinfeld&quot; thrown in for good measure.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;(The?!?!) Concept for &quot;The Call&quot; began with the Real Time production trio, Hemingson said, adding that 20th Century Fox TV toppers Dana Walden and Gary Newman &quot;brokered the marriage&quot; to bring him onboard.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m no expert on English but that last example has become super-common for Variety, often starting paragraphs with &quot;Studio has not reported earnings...&quot; or &quot;Network blah blah&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second was calling CEO&#039;s and Presidents prexies. Third is calling television shows skeins. I am not the brightest person in the world but I&#039;m not stupid either, and I had to look this crap up to find out what the hell a skein was, and there is no way that word fits.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for digressing, but there are a number of things that annoy me about Variety, and they have the unique ability to find something new to annoy me with every couple of weeks.</p>

<p>The first thing that really bit me was their seeming dislike for the word &#8220;the&#8221; in certain places.</p>

<p>&#8220;After a fierce bidding war with Fox, (the?) Alphabet has won the rights to the 20th Century Fox TV-produced laffer by stepping up with a six-episode commitment.&#8221; </p>

<p>&#8220;&#8230;Joel Surnow, Bob Cochran and Howard Gordon. (the?) Project is targeted for a fall 2007 debut.&#8221;</p>

<p>&#8220;Tentatively dubbed &#8220;The Call,&#8221; (the?) half-hour is a cross between &#8220;Emergency!&#8221; and &#8220;MASH,&#8221; with a dose of &#8220;Seinfeld&#8221; thrown in for good measure.&#8221;</p>

<p>&#8220;(The?!?!) Concept for &#8220;The Call&#8221; began with the Real Time production trio, Hemingson said, adding that 20th Century Fox TV toppers Dana Walden and Gary Newman &#8220;brokered the marriage&#8221; to bring him onboard.&#8221;</p>

<p>I&#8217;m no expert on English but that last example has become super-common for Variety, often starting paragraphs with &#8220;Studio has not reported earnings&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;Network blah blah&#8221;.</p>

<p>Second was calling CEO&#8217;s and Presidents prexies. Third is calling television shows skeins. I am not the brightest person in the world but I&#8217;m not stupid either, and I had to look this crap up to find out what the hell a skein was, and there is no way that word fits.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John August</title>
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		<dc:creator>John August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;haha --&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dude, I think microlending is awesome on multiple levels.  I think it&#039;s a model for socio-economic revolution.  But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s what American banks are thinking when they ask, &quot;Hmm, how should we make money?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Kevin Kelly has a big post about it today on his kk.org blog:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001484.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Joe P. --&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yup, I&#039;m ref-ing my favorite gold-hearted yokels.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha &#8211;</p>

<p>Dude, I think microlending is awesome on multiple levels.  I think it&#8217;s a model for socio-economic revolution.  But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s what American banks are thinking when they ask, &#8220;Hmm, how should we make money?&#8221;</p>

<p>Kevin Kelly has a big post about it today on his kk.org blog:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001484.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001484.php</a></p>

<p>Joe P. &#8211;</p>

<p>Yup, I&#8217;m ref-ing my favorite gold-hearted yokels.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: haha</title>
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		<dc:creator>haha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t knock banking for the poor and indigent.  It just won Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank the Nobel Peace Prize.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t knock banking for the poor and indigent.  It just won Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank the Nobel Peace Prize.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John August</title>
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		<dc:creator>John August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ryan makes a really good point:  You can appear rich, without having any actual money.  Banks are looking for people with actual money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I had a similar realization while at USC Film School.  There was a homeless person collecting change at a freeway on-ramp, and I thought: mathematically, he has more money than I do, because I have thousands of dollars of debt. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not that I&#039;d trade places with him.  The reality of money is that it&#039;s not just what&#039;s in your wallet, but your ability to get more when needed.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan makes a really good point:  You can appear rich, without having any actual money.  Banks are looking for people with actual money.</p>

<p>I had a similar realization while at USC Film School.  There was a homeless person collecting change at a freeway on-ramp, and I thought: mathematically, he has more money than I do, because I have thousands of dollars of debt. </p>

<p>Not that I&#8217;d trade places with him.  The reality of money is that it&#8217;s not just what&#8217;s in your wallet, but your ability to get more when needed.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: erikharrison</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Just by giving it a new term, theyâ€™ve taken away half the reason to be rich.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is that so bad?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just by giving it a new term, theyâ€™ve taken away half the reason to be rich.&#8221;</p>

<p>Is that so bad?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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