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		<title>By: Jon Simpkins</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2005/liam-found-a-mistake-in-the-bible/comment-page-1#comment-6471</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Simpkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, I think this is one of the coolest displays of how God fulfilled the prophecies. As previously mentioned, these geneologies differ because they are actually two different geneologies: one through Joseph (legal father), and the other through the virgin Mary (the only biological parent). Both of these geneologies go back to King David, in order to fulfill the prophecy that the Messiah would be a descendant of David. So, if anyone argued that women don&#039;t matter, then you could point to the geneology through Joseph, and if anyone argued that Joseph didn&#039;t help conceive Jesus and thus doesn&#039;t matter, then you could point to the geneology through Mary. At first glance, though, they do appear to be flawed.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think this is one of the coolest displays of how God fulfilled the prophecies. As previously mentioned, these geneologies differ because they are actually two different geneologies: one through Joseph (legal father), and the other through the virgin Mary (the only biological parent). Both of these geneologies go back to King David, in order to fulfill the prophecy that the Messiah would be a descendant of David. So, if anyone argued that women don&#8217;t matter, then you could point to the geneology through Joseph, and if anyone argued that Joseph didn&#8217;t help conceive Jesus and thus doesn&#8217;t matter, then you could point to the geneology through Mary. At first glance, though, they do appear to be flawed.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Gunness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Gunness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;By the way, Elizabeth Gunness is also in agreement with you, though I suspect she doesnâ€™t know it.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Young man I really don&#039;t appreciate your condescending tone! You&#039;ll be in my prayers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By the way, Elizabeth Gunness is also in agreement with you, though I suspect she doesnâ€™t know it.&#8221;</p>

<p>Young man I really don&#8217;t appreciate your condescending tone! You&#8217;ll be in my prayers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2005/liam-found-a-mistake-in-the-bible/comment-page-1#comment-4804</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whoa! Sorry, didn&#039;t mean for that to get so long-winded...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! Sorry, didn&#8217;t mean for that to get so long-winded&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://johnaugust.com/archives/2005/liam-found-a-mistake-in-the-bible/comment-page-1#comment-4803</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Love the blog, and even enjoyed the departure from the usual subject. I am mostly in agreement with your perspective here, though I feel the need to point out one statment that I viewed as misleading.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You said: &quot;As centuries passed, different texts were added and removed, and thereâ€™s always been controversy about these decisions.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This gives me the impression that you view the list of sacred texts (the &quot;canon&quot;) as having been continually in flux. More accurately, the canon of the New Testament has been pretty well set since the second certury AD, and all-but cemented by 300 AD. (One remaining dispute, if I&#039;m not mistaken, remains about the book of Revelation, which is not recognized by the Eastern Orthodox Church.) It would be hard to identify more than 2 of your passing centuries. Given the two millenia of church history, it was a relatively short time between when the texts started circulating and when people stopped adding more texts to the list.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Old Testament as we know it was officially recognized even sooner, before 100 AD, but the matter gets slightly more complicated when you consider the Apocrypha, a set of texts generally recognized by Catholics, but not most Protestants. However, as I understand it (as a Protestant myself), even most Catholics categorized these books as &#039;deutero-canonical&#039; (e.g., a secondary canon), so they viewed as importants, but are not given the same weight of authority as the books which have unanimous agreement. Many protestants would likely feel the same way if they took the time to read these texts. (I do, and so did some of the writers of the New Testament.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So in my view, the problems we have with applying the Bible to our lives today are not so much textual as they are interpretive. But when it comes to the important doctrines (&quot;Jesus is God and he wants you to love your neighbor, which means your enemies too&quot;) Christians everywhere are in agreement, at least those who respect the authority of Scripture and of the Church as a whole in its various forms down through the ages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way, Elizabeth Gunness is also in agreement with you, though I suspect she doesn&#039;t know it. The greek word translated &quot;God-breathed&quot; in some translations means &quot;inspired.&quot; The connection still exists faintly in english: inspire -&gt; respire -&gt; breath.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally, as a student of the Bible in its original languages (but not a professional scholar - I make my living in creative development), I must point out that the King James Version is one of the worst versions you could read in terms of faithfulness to the original manuscripts. Though admittedly, it does have a unique poetic flair to it that is lacking in many recent translations. I use the New American Standard Bible for serious study along side my Greek text, and the New Living Translation is pretty good (and easy) for casual reading, particularly for those of us raised on the NIV who tend to gloss over familiar passages too easily. A change of pace is good.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hope this is helpful to somebody. Comments, Questions, or corrections? BlogLurker[at]chapmanmedia.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>

<p>Love the blog, and even enjoyed the departure from the usual subject. I am mostly in agreement with your perspective here, though I feel the need to point out one statment that I viewed as misleading.</p>

<p>You said: &#8220;As centuries passed, different texts were added and removed, and thereâ€™s always been controversy about these decisions.&#8221;</p>

<p>This gives me the impression that you view the list of sacred texts (the &#8220;canon&#8221;) as having been continually in flux. More accurately, the canon of the New Testament has been pretty well set since the second certury AD, and all-but cemented by 300 AD. (One remaining dispute, if I&#8217;m not mistaken, remains about the book of Revelation, which is not recognized by the Eastern Orthodox Church.) It would be hard to identify more than 2 of your passing centuries. Given the two millenia of church history, it was a relatively short time between when the texts started circulating and when people stopped adding more texts to the list.</p>

<p>The Old Testament as we know it was officially recognized even sooner, before 100 AD, but the matter gets slightly more complicated when you consider the Apocrypha, a set of texts generally recognized by Catholics, but not most Protestants. However, as I understand it (as a Protestant myself), even most Catholics categorized these books as &#8216;deutero-canonical&#8217; (e.g., a secondary canon), so they viewed as importants, but are not given the same weight of authority as the books which have unanimous agreement. Many protestants would likely feel the same way if they took the time to read these texts. (I do, and so did some of the writers of the New Testament.)</p>

<p>So in my view, the problems we have with applying the Bible to our lives today are not so much textual as they are interpretive. But when it comes to the important doctrines (&#8220;Jesus is God and he wants you to love your neighbor, which means your enemies too&#8221;) Christians everywhere are in agreement, at least those who respect the authority of Scripture and of the Church as a whole in its various forms down through the ages.</p>

<p>By the way, Elizabeth Gunness is also in agreement with you, though I suspect she doesn&#8217;t know it. The greek word translated &#8220;God-breathed&#8221; in some translations means &#8220;inspired.&#8221; The connection still exists faintly in english: inspire -&gt; respire -&gt; breath.</p>

<p>Finally, as a student of the Bible in its original languages (but not a professional scholar &#8211; I make my living in creative development), I must point out that the King James Version is one of the worst versions you could read in terms of faithfulness to the original manuscripts. Though admittedly, it does have a unique poetic flair to it that is lacking in many recent translations. I use the New American Standard Bible for serious study along side my Greek text, and the New Living Translation is pretty good (and easy) for casual reading, particularly for those of us raised on the NIV who tend to gloss over familiar passages too easily. A change of pace is good.</p>

<p>Hope this is helpful to somebody. Comments, Questions, or corrections? BlogLurker[at]chapmanmedia.com</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John, this is a brave post.  But I e-applaud you for it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In case anyone is interested, the technical name for what John is talking about in terms of the Torah (to Christians the &quot;Old&quot; Testament) is the Documentary Hypothesis.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis has a good explanation in terms of its academic study.  It&#039;s a totally fascinating topic, when you consider Western Civilization might be vastly different if the belief had come into being before its modern inception in the 19th century.  I&#039;m taking up space.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Happy Chrismahanakwanzikahmas, everyone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, this is a brave post.  But I e-applaud you for it.</p>

<p>In case anyone is interested, the technical name for what John is talking about in terms of the Torah (to Christians the &#8220;Old&#8221; Testament) is the Documentary Hypothesis.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis</a> has a good explanation in terms of its academic study.  It&#8217;s a totally fascinating topic, when you consider Western Civilization might be vastly different if the belief had come into being before its modern inception in the 19th century.  I&#8217;m taking up space.</p>

<p>Happy Chrismahanakwanzikahmas, everyone.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Julie Goes To Hollywood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Goes To Hollywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Liam: Given the season, this is indeed the time of year likeliest for the Christ to be born of a virgin screenwriter. Then again, if Jesus went to film school, they&#039;d only crucify him with a set of notes about how the greatest story ever told needs to look more sparing on the page. Yours very truly, Julie of Hollywood&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Liam: Given the season, this is indeed the time of year likeliest for the Christ to be born of a virgin screenwriter. Then again, if Jesus went to film school, they&#8217;d only crucify him with a set of notes about how the greatest story ever told needs to look more sparing on the page. Yours very truly, Julie of Hollywood</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Howard Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Liam--should you be a writer as well as a theology buff, you might like to know that the Bible (the KJV, anyway) has been a source of material for many screenwriters and novelists.  Titles for books, films, songs, and slogans.  Even a soap opera (The Days Of Our Lives).  Can&#039;t say the same for Dianetics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t want to take up Mr. August&#039;s space, but try reading Paul for a very poetical, somewhat mournful style:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;O death, where is thy sting?  O grave, where is thy victory?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Liam&#8211;should you be a writer as well as a theology buff, you might like to know that the Bible (the KJV, anyway) has been a source of material for many screenwriters and novelists.  Titles for books, films, songs, and slogans.  Even a soap opera (The Days Of Our Lives).  Can&#8217;t say the same for Dianetics.</p>

<p>Don&#8217;t want to take up Mr. August&#8217;s space, but try reading Paul for a very poetical, somewhat mournful style:</p>

<p>&#8220;O death, where is thy sting?  O grave, where is thy victory?&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ryandake</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryandake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes! yes! if you&#039;ve been truly touched by his noodly appendage, mr. august, you will write the screenplay!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes! yes! if you&#8217;ve been truly touched by his noodly appendage, mr. august, you will write the screenplay!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rene Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone read the DaVinci Code?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the worst written books of all time. Think of a graduate student stringing a bunch of religious studies research papers together and then gluing them together with very thin plot. &quot;Joe did this. Joe did that. TERM PAPER!!!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The movie will be better than the book for once.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone read the DaVinci Code?</p>

<p>One of the worst written books of all time. Think of a graduate student stringing a bunch of religious studies research papers together and then gluing them together with very thin plot. &#8220;Joe did this. Joe did that. TERM PAPER!!!&#8221;</p>

<p>The movie will be better than the book for once.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eleanor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleanor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FSM - Suddenly life makes sense!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FSM &#8211; Suddenly life makes sense!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Caleb Aaron Osment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Aaron Osment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The question is not what the noodle can do for you, but what you can do for the noodle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;RAmen.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is not what the noodle can do for you, but what you can do for the noodle.</p>

<p>RAmen.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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